ON ENVIRONMENTAL HYSTERIA-MONGERING

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 27, 2019 at 10:04 pm

Editor Note:

What is so disgusting is how gleefully these frightened liberal men want to damage the free market economy and plunge future generations into marginal lives.


http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/t ... ent-171001
And as to "hysteria-mongering" by the right-wingers out there among us, there is a clear example of it right here above us, with this pathetic shrieking and bleating and whining from the author, who himself sounds quite frightened of a 16-year old girl named Greta Thunberg, about "frightened liberal men want to damage the free market economy and plunge future generations into marginal lives" …

That, people, is exactly what right-wing "hysteria-mongering" looks like in real life - "BE REAL SCARED, these frightened liberal men want to plunge our future generations into marginal lives!"

Oh, really?

Do tell …

And what about all the right-wing conservatives out there who don't mind plunging present generations into marginal lives?

But wait, I forgot, this author is into trashing "liberals," so that is a subject he is going to avoid like the plague, nor is he able to provide us with any evidence to support his contention that frightened liberal men want to damage the free market economy and plunge future generations into marginal lives, especially as so many already live what would be considered marginal lives, whatever on earth he meant by that statement, and there is no "free market" economy to damage ...
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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 27, 2019 at 11:00 am

Editor's Note:

Oh, and DDT, how many people died because we stopped using it?


http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/t ... ent-170879
I have been on the internet now since 2004, so 15 years, and before that, I was listening to science deniers expostulating on those right-wing talk radio shows that proliferated in the 1980s, putting out all kinds of mindless garbage that never could be challenged because if you were lucky enough to have the right phone number that could get you in to the talk show host while the show was on-going to question something that was said on the show, as soon as the host realized you were going to question something, they would terminate the call on their end, and then go into on-air denunciations of the one who dared to question and was cut off, which seems to be a tactic now being employed by this Cape Charles Mirror editor, since there have been no follow-up posts since the denunciations, which has me thinking there aren't going to be any, so I'm going to step up to the plate here and address that question above about how many people died because we stopped using DDT, but first I want to say that in my long experience of dealing with these people, they use spite and ridicule as offensive weapons precisely because they have no facts, just attacks, and they attack because they cannot defend their premises, so they heap ridicule on anyone who dares to question them, as this Cape Charles Mirror editor has done above here.

And with respect to DDT, to my knowledge, since I happened to actually be alive back then when DDT was in common usage, as opposed to reading about it in some book, NOBODY died because we stopped using DDT, so that is nothing more than a silly question meant tp deflect our attention elsewhere.

As I said, the use of DDT was common when I was young, and we POOR FOLKS used it on our garden just like everyone else.

And when we stopped using it, this AFTER it was too late and it had killed off the songbirds (think SILENT SPRING, which I also lived through), nobody died as a result.

If people were going to die as a result of stopping to use DDT, it would have been us, I would presume, since we were always exposed to the stuff during the summer growing season, but we didn't die and I'm still here at least 60 years later, so I think that is a myth that stopping the use of DDT resulted in the deaths of people - just more hysteria-mongering by this right-wing science denier who may well be writing the talking points for the Trump administration to use to reply to Greta Thunberg coming to New York.

But let's not take my word for anything!

PESTICIDE ACTION NETWORK

The DDT Story


If there is a single pesticide almost everyone can name, it's DDT.

DDT was one of the first chemicals in widespread use as a pesticide.

Following World War II, it was promoted as a wonder-chemical, the simple solution to pest problems large and small.

Today, nearly 40 years after DDT was banned in the U.S., we continue to live with its long-lasting effects:


• Food supplies:

USDA found DDT breakdown products in 60% of heavy cream samples, 42% of kale greens, 28% of carrots and lower percentages of many other foods.

• Body burden:

DDT breakdown products were found in the blood of 99% of the people tested by CDC.

• Health impacts:

Girls exposed to DDT before puberty are 5 times more likely to develop breast cancer in middle age, according to the President’s Cancer Panel.

Banned for agricultural uses worldwide by the 2001 Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants, the use of DDT is still permitted in small quantities in countries that need it, with support mobilized for the transition to safer and more effective alternatives.

The treatment of DDT under the Stockholm Convention is strongly supported by PAN and our international partners.

Rachel Carson highlighted the dangers of DDT in her groundbreaking 1962 book Silent Spring.

Carson used DDT to tell the broader story of the disastrous consequences of the overuse of insecticides, and raised enough concern from her testimony before Congress to trigger the establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

Her work attracted outrage from the pesticide industry and others.

Her credibility as a scientist was attacked, and she was derided as “hysterical,” despite her fact-based assertions and calm and scholarly demeanor.

Following the hearings, President Kennedy convened a committee to review the evidence Carson presented.

The committee's review completely vindicating her findings.

One of the new EPA's first acts was to ban DDT, due to both concerns about harm to the environment and the potential for harm to human health.


There was also evidence linking DDT with severe declines in bald eagle populations due to thinning eggshells.

Since DDT was banned in the U.S., bald eagles have made a dramatic recovery.

Recently, Carson's work has again been targeted by conservative groups.

Capitalizing on the iconic status of DDT, these groups are promoting widespread use of the chemical for malaria control as part of a broader effort to manufacture doubt about the dangers of pesticides, and to promote their anti-regulatory, free market agenda while attempting to undermine and roll back the environmental movement's legacy.

Attacks on Carson from groups like The Competitive Enterprise Institute and Africa Fighting Malaria portray DDT as the simple solution to malaria, and blame Carson for “millions of deaths in Africa.”

Many of these DDT promoters are also in the business of denying climate change and defended the tobacco industry by denying the health harms of smoking.

Human Health Harms

The science on DDT's human health impacts has continued to mount over the years, with recent studies showing harm at very low levels of exposure.

Studies show a range of human health effects linked to DDT and its breakdown product, DDE:

• breast & other cancers

• male infertility

• miscarriages & low birth weight

• developmental delay

• nervous system & liver damage

No 'Silver Bullet' for Malaria Control

The only remaining legal use of DDT is to control malaria-carrying mosquitoes.

A devastating disease, malaria kills more than 800,000 people every year, the majority of deaths among children in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Indoor spraying with DDT is one of a number of tools being used to control malaria around the world.

Only in rare cases is it the most effective choice.

Successful malaria control programs have been built all over the world using a variety of approaches that are affordable and appropriate to local needs.

All include community involvement, appropriate technology and investment in public health capacity and education.

These community-based, integrated solutions have proven successful in places as diverse as Mexico, Kenya and Vietnam.

Unfortunately, vocal groups such as Africa Fighting Malaria continue to promote a simplistic "DDT or nothing" debate, ignoring on-the-ground evidence from around the world that more effective approaches are saving lives without putting communities in harm's way from exposure to the long-lasting chemical.

PAN works with international allies, governments and on-the-ground groups in Africa to mobilize resources and political will to combat malaria, and remains active in international legal processes to support the global phase out of DDT and promote the safest and most effective malaria control solutions.

https://www.panna.org/resources/ddt-story
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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 18, 2019

The Danger and Fraud of Eco-Pessimism

By Wayne Creed

Simon was also critical of the environmental movement and the scientific community.

He understood that they are competitive free markets in which there is intense competition for donations, grants, and subsidies.


http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/t ... pessimism/
THE ECONOMIST

"Julian Lincoln Simon, an optimistic economist, died on February 8th, aged 65"

Feb 19th 1998

In reference books he called himself an “economics educator”.

He wrote about 30 books and was in demand on the university circuit as a speaker.

Those who declined to be educated he called “doomsayers”.


https://www.economist.com/obituary/1998 ... lian-simon
Yes, people, beware the "scientific community," which I would categorize as more mindless and dangerous reactionary right-wing hysteria-mongering …

Anything that has to do with "science" is not to be trusted!

And why?

Well, because Julian Simon, an economist dead now since 1998, tells us we should do so, and if we decline to be "educated" into thinking the way the long-since-dead Julian Simon tells us we must think, which is to "BEWARE" the "scientific community, then we are simply written off by the right-wingers in the cult of mindless Julian Simon worshippers as "doomsayers," which is childish …

So what is this "scientific community" Julian Simon and his right-wing followers say we should beware of, which itself is a mindless and reckless and immature statement?

Let's take a look and see:

Scientific community

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scientific community is a diverse network of interacting scientists.

It includes many "sub-communities" working on particular scientific fields, and within particular institutions; interdisciplinary and cross-institutional activities are also significant.

Objectivity is expected to be achieved by the scientific method.

Peer review, through discussion and debate within journals and conferences, assists in this objectivity by maintaining the quality of research methodology and interpretation of results.


History of scientific communities

The eighteenth century had some societies made up of men who studied nature, also known as natural philosophers and natural historians, which included even amateurs.

As such these societies were more like local clubs and groups with diverse interests than actual scientific communities, which usually had interests on specialized disciplines.

Though there were a few older societies of men who studied nature such as the Royal Society of London, the concept of scientific communities emerged in the second half of the 19th century, not before, because it was in this century that the language of modern science emerged, the professionalization of science occurred, specialized institutions were created, and the specialization of scientific disciplines and fields occurred.

For instance, the term scientist was first coined by the naturalist-theologian William Whewell in 1834 and the wider acceptance of the term along with the growth of specialized societies allowed for researchers to see themselves as a part of a wider imagined community, similar to the concept of nationhood.

Membership, status and interactions

Membership in the community is generally, but not exclusively, a function of education, employment status, research activity and institutional affiliation.

Status within the community is highly correlated with publication record, and also depends on the status within the institution and the status of the institution.

Researchers can hold roles of different degrees of influence inside the scientific community.

Researchers of a stronger influence can act as mentors for early career researchers and steer the direction of research in the community like agenda setters.

Scientists are usually trained in academia through universities.

As such, degrees in the relevant scientific sub-disciplines are often considered prerequisites in the relevant community.

In particular, the PhD with its research requirements functions as a marker of being an important integrator into the community, though continued membership is dependent on maintaining connections to other researchers through publication, technical contributions, and conferences.

After obtaining a PhD an academic scientist may continue through being on an academic position, receiving a post-doctoral fellowships and onto professorships.

Other scientists make contributions to the scientific community in alternate ways such as in industry, education, think tanks, or the government.

Members of the same community do not need to work together.

Communication between the members is established by disseminating research work and hypotheses through articles in peer reviewed journals, or by attending conferences where new research is presented and ideas exchanged and discussed.

There are also many informal methods of communication of scientific work and results as well.

And many in a coherent community may actually not communicate all of their work with one another, for various professional reasons.

Speaking for the scientific community

Unlike in previous centuries when the community of scholars were all members of few learned societies and similar institutions, there are no singular bodies or individuals which can be said today to speak for all science or all scientists.

This is partly due to the specialized training most scientists receive in very few fields.

As a result, many would lack expertise in all the other fields of the sciences.

For instance, due to the increasing complexity of information and specialization of scientists, most of the cutting-edge research today is done by well funded groups of scientists, rather than individuals.

However, there are still multiple societies and academies in many countries which help consolidate some opinions and research to help guide public discussions on matters of policy and government-funded research.

For example, the United States' National Academy of Science (NAS) and United Kingdom's Royal Society sometimes act as surrogates when the opinions of the scientific community need to be ascertained by policy makers or the national government, but the statements of the National Academy of Science or the Royal Society are not binding on scientists nor do they necessarily reflect the opinions of every scientist in a given community since membership is often exclusive, their commissions are explicitly focused on serving their governments, and they have never "shown systematic interest in what rank-and file scientists think about scientific matters".

Exclusivity of membership in these types of organizations can be seen in their election processes in which only existing members can officially nominate others for candidacy of membership.

It is very unusual for organizations like the National Academy of Science to engage in external research projects since they normally focus on preparing scientific reports for government agencies.

An example of how rarely the NAS engages in external and active research can be seen in its struggle to prepare and overcome hurdles, due to its lack of experience in coordinating research grants and major research programs on the environment and health.

Nevertheless, general scientific consensus is a concept which is often referred to when dealing with questions that can be subject to scientific methodology.

While the consensus opinion of the community is not always easy to ascertain or fix due to paradigm shifting, generally the standards and utility of the scientific method have tended to ensure, to some degree, that scientists agree on some general corpus of facts explicated by scientific theory while rejecting some ideas which run counter to this realization.

The concept of scientific consensus is very important to science pedagogy, the evaluation of new ideas, and research funding.

Sometimes it is argued that there is a closed shop bias within the scientific community toward new ideas.

Protoscience, fringe science, and pseudoscience have been topics that discuss demarcation problems.

In response to this some non-consensus claims skeptical organizations, not research institutions, have devoted considerable amounts of time and money contesting ideas which run counter to general agreement on a particular topic.

Philosophers of science argue over the epistemological limits of such a consensus and some, including Thomas Kuhn, have pointed to the existence of scientific revolutions in the history of science as being an important indication that scientific consensus can, at times, be wrong.

Nevertheless, the sheer explanatory power of science in its ability to make accurate and precise predictions and aid in the design and engineering of new technology has ensconced "science" and, by proxy, the opinions of the scientific community as a highly respected form of knowledge both in the academy and in popular culture.

Political controversies

The high regard with which scientific results are held in Western society has caused a number of political controversies over scientific subjects to arise.

An alleged conflict thesis proposed in the 19th century between religion and science has been cited by some as representative of a struggle between tradition and substantial change and faith and reason.

A popular example used to support this thesis is when Galileo was tried before the Inquisition concerning the heliocentric model.

The persecution began after Pope Urban VIII permitted Galileo to write about the Copernican model.

Galileo had used arguments from the Pope and put them in the voice of the simpleton in the work "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" which caused great offense to him.

Even though many historians of science have discredited the conflict thesis it still remains a popular belief among many including some scientists.

In more recent times, the creation-evolution controversy has resulted in many religious believers in a supernatural creation to challenge some naturalistic assumptions that have been proposed in some of the branches of scientific fields such as evolutionary biology, geology, and astronomy.

Although the dichotomy seems to be of a different outlook from a Continental European perspective, it does exist.

The Vienna Circle, for instance, had a paramount (i.e. symbolic) influence on the semiotic regime represented by the Scientific Community in Europe.

In the decades following World War II, some were convinced that nuclear power would solve the pending energy crisis by providing energy at low cost.

This advocacy led to the construction of many nuclear power plants, but was also accompanied by a global political movement opposed to nuclear power due to safety concerns and associations of the technology with nuclear weapons.

Mass protests in the United States and Europe during the 1970s and 1980s along with the disasters of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island led to a decline in nuclear power plant construction.

In the last decades or so, both global warming and stem cells have placed the opinions of the scientific community in the forefront of political debate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_community
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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 27, 2019 at 11:00 am

Paul Plante says:

* Simon dismissed concerns about lead pollution & IQ, (think Flint and Newark), DDT, PCBs, malathion, Agent Orange, asbestos, and the chemical contamination at Love Canal as mere “value judgement,” which makes him out to be either a sociopath or psychopath.

THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 27, 2019 at 11:00 am

Editor's Note:

You act like Simon was in favor of polluting the earth, which was never the case.

His point was, in the big picture, DDT, PCBs, malathion, Agent Orange, asbestos are not a big deal…we’ll figure something out, and we did.

Oh, and DDT, how many people died because we stopped using it?


http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/t ... ent-170879
PESTICIDE ACTION NETWORK

The DDT Story

If there is a single pesticide almost everyone can name, it's DDT.

DDT was one of the first chemicals in widespread use as a pesticide.

Rachel Carson highlighted the dangers of DDT in her groundbreaking 1962 book Silent Spring.

Carson used DDT to tell the broader story of the disastrous consequences of the overuse of insecticides, and raised enough concern from her testimony before Congress to trigger the establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

Her work attracted outrage from the pesticide industry and others.

Her credibility as a scientist was attacked, and she was derided as “hysterical,” despite her fact-based assertions and calm and scholarly demeanor.

Following the hearings, President Kennedy convened a committee to review the evidence Carson presented.

The committee's review completely vindicating her findings.

One of the new EPA's first acts was to ban DDT, due to both concerns about harm to the environment and the potential for harm to human health.

Attacks on Carson from groups like The Competitive Enterprise Institute and Africa Fighting Malaria portray DDT as the simple solution to malaria, and blame Carson for “millions of deaths in Africa.”

Many of these DDT promoters are also in the business of denying climate change and defended the tobacco industry by denying the health harms of smoking.


https://www.panna.org/resources/ddt-story
THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 28, 2019 at 5:09 pm

Publius Americanus says:

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, almost all Democrat policies and Rachel Carson.

A listing of the world’s greatest (by numbers) mass murderers.

Not necessarily in order.


http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/t ... 10#respond
DDT

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, commonly known as DDT, is a colorless, tasteless, and almost odorless crystalline chemical compound, an organochlorine.

It was originally developed as an insecticide, then it became infamous for its environmental impacts.

By October 1945, DDT was available for public sale in the United States.

Although it was promoted by government and industry for use as an agricultural and household pesticide, there were also concerns about its use from the beginning.

Opposition to DDT was focused by the 1962 publication of Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring.

It cataloged environmental impacts that coincided with widespread use of DDT in agriculture in the United States, and it questioned the logic of broadcasting potentially dangerous chemicals into the environment with little prior investigation of their environmental and health effects.

The book claimed that DDT and other pesticides had been shown to cause cancer and that their agricultural use was a threat to wildlife, particularly birds.

Its publication was a seminal event for the environmental movement and resulted in a large public outcry that eventually led, in 1972, to a ban on DDT's agricultural use in the United States.

When it was introduced in World War II, DDT was effective in reducing malaria morbidity and mortality.

WHO's anti-malaria campaign, which consisted mostly of spraying DDT and rapid treatment and diagnosis to break the transmission cycle, was initially successful as well.

For example, in Sri Lanka, the program reduced cases from about one million per year before spraying to just 18 in 1963 and 29 in 1964.

Thereafter the program was halted to save money and malaria rebounded to 600,000 cases in 1968 and the first quarter of 1969.

The country resumed DDT vector control but the mosquitoes had evolved resistance in the interim, presumably because of continued agricultural use.

Mosquito resistance

In some areas resistance reduced DDT's effectiveness.

WHO guidelines require that absence of resistance must be confirmed before using the chemical.

Resistance is largely due to agricultural use, in much greater quantities than required for disease prevention.

Resistance was noted early in spray campaigns.

Paul Russell, former head of the Allied Anti-Malaria campaign, observed in 1956 that "resistance has appeared after six or seven years".

Resistance has been detected in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Turkey and Central America and it has largely been replaced by organophosphate or carbamate insecticides, e.g. malathion or bendiocarb.


In many parts of India, DDT is ineffective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Environmental_impact
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Scientific community

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scientific community is a diverse network of interacting scientists.

It includes many "sub-communities" working on particular scientific fields, and within particular institutions; interdisciplinary and cross-institutional activities are also significant.

Objectivity is expected to be achieved by the scientific method.

Peer review, through discussion and debate within journals and conferences, assists in this objectivity by maintaining the quality of research methodology and interpretation of results.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_community
FOUNDATION FOR ECONOMIC EDUCATION

"Remembering Julian Simon - Simon Was a Pioneer in Disproving Faulty Environmentalist Assumptions"

Paul A. Cleveland, Erin Hagert

Monday, January 1, 2007

Born in 1932, Simon grew up in New Jersey and absorbed many of the popular environmental and economic misconceptions of his day.

However, in time questions arose that eventually led him to reject those misconceptions and launch an offensive on behalf of sound thinking and human creativity.


https://fee.org/articles/remembering-julian-simon/
THE ECONOMIST

"Julian Lincoln Simon, an optimistic economist, died on February 8th, aged 65"

Feb 19th 1998

Julian Simon compounded his heresy by pooh-poohing the alarms over global warming.

But every economist is also a human being subverted by his prejudices.
'

https://www.economist.com/obituary/1998 ... lian-simon
THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 27, 2019 at 11:00 am

Paul Plante says :

* Julian Lincoln Simon, an American professor of business administration at the University of Maryland and a Senior Fellow at the Cato who served as a longtime economics and business professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign is dead and has been dead for 20 years;

ERGO, the writings and maunderings of the long dead Julian Simon DO NOT support the conclusion in the OP that “We need not fear the climate, only fear itself.”

THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 27, 2019 at 11:00 am

Editor's Note:

It’s kind of scary, but Simon’s critics, the ones that he has proven wrong, said a lot of the same things.

Not sure you want to be part of that group.

What’s even more concerning, is that so much of this goes right past you…you criticize Simon for being an economist and not a climate scientist, but you miss the fact that his arguments are really economic.

That’s like claiming Kant’s work on metaphysics is worthless because he’s not a theologian.

You paste stuff from wikipedia, but I’m not sure you understand it.


http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/t ... ent-170879
And here, people, is where these types of discussions with hardcore science deniers like this Cape Charles Mirror editor, who may well be a speech writer for Trump, and this would go right on up to Donald Trump, himself, go spinning off into space, precisely because the science deniers are making their arguments that the activities of mankind have no effect whatsoever on weather based on the maunderings of an economist most people have never heard of who has been dead since 1998, and hence, is immune to peer review and the application of the "scientific method" to his various "pooh-poohings" to find out exactly what they are based on, besides something he felt deep in his "guts," which may well have been gas or indigestion …

Which is ridiculous and absurd …

And yet, people, that is exactly what the situation is …

And that is pathetic, in the extreme ...

And these are real people, the Cape Charles Mirror editor and Publius Americanus who wants us to believe that Rachel Carson, the author of "Silent Spring," is a mass murderer because she wrote that book, not as a prediction of something, but about something that had already happened, the literal disappearance of birds seemingly overnight, which I experienced when I was young, and got DDT banned as a result …

That absurd claim that Rachel Carson is a mass murderer for getting DDT banned was made on August 28, 2019 at 5:09 pm, just a few days ago now, so that is how long these crazy right-wing hysterias can remain around …

And all these fools who were born after the birds disappeared, like this Publius Americanus, claim that never happened, and she was making it all up, because they were born into a world with no birds, so they do not know the difference, and they are too ignorant and lazy to check their facts before they post them …

As to Malaria, it has been common for as long as there have been people …

I was in Viet Nam, and we had to take pills every day, because malaria was prevalent, and all the DDT in the world wasn't going to kill them, given the climate over there …

So, does malaria kill people?

Is it fatal, like these one claiming Rachel Carson is a mass murderer would have us believe?

That answer is no.

Can it kill people?

Yes, usually children.

The CDC tells us that P. falciparum is the type of malaria that is most likely to result in severe infections and if not promptly treated, may lead to death, so there are different types of malaria, and they are not all the same.

And globally, the World Health Organization estimates that in 2016, 216 million clinical cases of malaria occurred, and 445,000 people died of malaria, most of them children in Africa, so where these shriekers calling Rachel Carson a mass murderer have come up with the figure of millions of people in Africa getting killed by malaria eludes me.

But since they go by what they feel in their gut, they don't need facts, which is what makes it absolutely impossible to have an intelligent discussion on this subject of "climate," because their minds are closed, and what makes it serious is that we are talking not only about a newspaper editor in tiny Cape Charles, Virginia, a town mired in the past based on its location far off the beaten past, but the president of the United States of America and his so-called "science advisors," as well …

And as a grandfather, I think that makes it worth my while to stand up in here and say, "wait a minute," because it is apparent by all the sounds of silence emanating from the Cape Charles Mirror that there will be no challenge allowed in there ...

And that takes us to an article in The Telegraph entitled "Nazis tried to halt Allies in Italy with malaria epidemic attack" by Hilary Clarke in Rome on 14 Feb. 2006, as follows:

The Nazis tried to halt the advance of British and American troops through Italy in the Second World War by unleashing malaria-carrying mosquitoes in what is believed to be the only biological warfare attack out in Europe, according to new research.

The plan was designed to hinder the Allied push from the south and to punish the Italian population for what the Germans saw as treachery after they switched sides and joined the Allied powers.

According to Prof Frank Snowden, a history professor at Yale University whose book The Conquest of Malaria in Italy draws on American archives and the diaries of Italian soldiers, the scheme was orchestrated in the autumn of 1943 by Erich Martini, a medical entomologist, Nazi Party member and friend of the SS commander Heinrich Himmler.

The Germans flooded the marshes that lay on the path into Rome from the south by reversing the pumps that drained them.

They then introduced millions of larvae of anopheles labranchiae, a species of malaria-carrying mosquito.

But British and American soldiers, who landed at Anzio just south of the marshes, survived the biological attack because they were given anti-malarial drugs.


The First British Infantry Division along with the British Commando Brigade landed at Anzio in January 1944.

But despite being holed up there in terrible conditions for weeks and huge casualties being suffered in battles with German troops, there are no records of a malaria epidemic.

Rates of the disease among the local Italian population returning from the fields soared, however.

Official malaria cases rose in the area from 1,217 in 1943 to 54,929 in 1944 in a population of 245,000.

Unofficial rates, Prof Snowden suggests, were much higher.

Benito Mussolini drained the Pontine Marshes, an area 30 miles south of Rome, during the 1930s, an act for which he is still lauded in Italy.


The use of biological weapons and causing "superfluous injury" to inhabitants broke international conventions on warfare and the Nazis were keen to hide what they were doing, Prof Snowden claims.

"In September 1943 the German army ordered the evacuation of all remaining civilians who lived within a radius of 10 kilometres from the shore" he writes in the book, published in Britain next month.

"This removal of the inhabitants from the war zone ensured there were no eye witnesses to German actions."

Malaria remained rife in the area until 1950 when the marshes were drained again and the imported mosquito species died out.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... ttack.html
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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR August 18, 2019

The Danger and Fraud of Eco-Pessimism

By Wayne Creed

This week Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg began her journey to the United States for the United Nations Climate Conference.

While this young girl believes that the planet is headed for an ecological catastrophe, this type of eco-pessimism is not new.

The so-called Green movement generates billions of dollars annually, basically by scaring people.

If they said that climate change is a very slow, gentle process that takes hundreds of years to affect anything, I doubt the donations would be as generous.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)’s October 2018 report says that we need to cut global carbon emissions in half in ten years to have any hope of staving off a climate crisis that would existentially threaten human society.

Seriously?

And this is based on what?


http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/t ... pessimism/
CNN

"Greta Thunberg reaches New York after 15-day yacht journey"


By Rob Picheta, CNN

Updated 10:26 PM ET, Wed August 28, 2019

(CNN) — Teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg is making landfall in New York after sailing across the Atlantic for the past 15 days.

The 16-year-old tweeted in the early hours of Wednesday morning that she could see the lights of New York City and Long Island.

She had originally been expected to dock her vessel on Tuesday but was held up in rough seas south of Nova Scotia.

Thunberg has been sailing to New York to speak at the UN Climate Action Summit on September 23, and traveled on a zero-emissions sailboat to reduce the environmental impact of her journey, according to a statement from her team.

She set sail on her vessel, the Malizia II, from Plymouth, UK on August 14, and has been documenting her journey on social media.

Hours before reaching land, Thunberg tweeted an image of her final evening on board the boat.

She had previously posted a video showing choppy waters lashing the boat as she approached North America.

The Swedish teenager has become the figurehead of a burgeoning movement of youth climate activists after her weekly protests inspired student strikes in more than 100 cities worldwide.

Thunberg doesn't fly, because of the high levels of emissions from air travel, according to a statement.

The Malizia II allowed her to make a zero-emissions journey, thanks to solar panels and underwater turbines that generate electricity, the statement said.

UN Secretary-General António Guterres has called on world leaders to present concrete plans to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at the upcoming summit in New York.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 1, 2019 at 5:44 pm

Paul Plante says :

And let me say as a grandfather of young women who are being taught to think for themselves so as to not get caught up in the emotional hysteria being peddled by this 16-year old spoiled rich girl from Sweden who throws temper tantrums and is using emotional blackmail to force, yes, force, adults to do her bidding, that if this thread had stayed on Greta Thunberg and her hysteria, and her temper tantrums, and her emotional blackmail, especially, I would have given it a much more sympathetic reading, and I would have recommended it to the world.

I would have started with an AFP article entitled “CO2 row over climate activist Thunberg’s yacht trip to New York” on 18 August 2019, where we were provided as follows:

Thunberg has become a figurehead for climate action with her stark warnings of catastrophe if the world does not act now to cut carbon emissions and curb global warming.

She has received criticism and abuse for her uncompromising attitude, but shows little concern at how she might be received among climate change deniers in the United States.

“I will just ignore them because I’m only acting and communicating the science, and if they don’t like that, what have I got to do with that?” she said.

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A 16-year old girl from Sweden is “communicating the science?”

Oh, really, Greta, do tell.

So, Greta, where is it?

The science, I mean!

What “science” are you communicating Greta?

That the world will end in ten years if we do not all stop using fossil fuels right now?

But that is not “science” that she is communicating there, people – that is mindless hysteria and gibbering.

And Greta, you seriously would give yourself a whole lot more credibility in the eyes of ADULTS who are immune to your emotional blackmail spiel about how “if we really loved our children, we would be doing exactly what you tell us to do,” by giving us a lot more detail to support your stark warnings of catastrophe if the world does not act now to cut carbon emissions and curb global warming.

But what am I saying – she can’t do that, because she personally has no science to communicate, so stop the FRAUD, Greta, and stop scaring the children.

This grandfather does not appreciate it.

And Greta, I am not a science denier, which means I recognize bogus “science” like yours when I see it, so don’t try to write me off by labeling me as such, thank you very much, and welcome to America and have a nice stay in America where we are not so ignorant as to be swept away by your teenage hysteria.

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WIKIPEDIA

Oil price history in the 21st century

From 1999 til mid 2008, the price of oil rose significantly.

It was explained by the rising oil demand in countries like China and India.

In the middle of the financial crisis of 2007–2008, the price of oil underwent a significant decrease after the record peak of US$147.27 it reached on July 11, 2008.

On December 23, 2008, WTI crude oil spot price fell to US$30.28 a barrel, the lowest since the financial crisis of 2007–2008 began.

The price sharply rebounded after the crisis and rose to US$82 a barrel in 2009.

In July 2008 oil reached a record peak of US$147.27 but by February 2009 it sank beneath $40 a barrel.

On 31 January 2011, the Brent price hit $100 a barrel for the first time since October 2008, on concerns about the political unrest in Egypt.

For about three and half years the price largely remained in the $90–$120 range.

In the middle of 2014, price started declining due to a significant increase in oil production in USA, and declining demand in the emerging countries.

The oil glut — caused by multiple factors — spurred a sharp downward spiral in the price of oil that continued through February 2016.

By February 3, 2016 oil was below $30 — a drop of "almost 75 percent since mid-2014 as competing producers pumped 1–2 million barrels of crude daily exceeding demand, just as China's economy hit lowest growth in a generation."

Some analysts speculate that it may continue to drop further, perhaps as low as $18.

According to a report released on February 15, 2016 by Deloitte LLP — the audit and consulting firm — with global crude oil at near ten-year low prices, 35% of listed E&P oil and gas companies are at a high risk of bankruptcy worldwide.

Indeed, bankruptcies "in the oil and gas industry could surpass levels seen in the Great Recession."


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THE CATO INSTITUTE

"Julian Simon Remembered: It's a Wonderful Life"


by Stephen Moore

March/April 1998

Julian L. Simon, professor of business administration at the University of Maryland and distinguished senior fellow at the Cato Institute, died February 8 at the age of 65.

Stephen Moore, his former research assistant, is director of fiscal policy studies at the Cato Institute.

I first met "doom-slayer" Julian L. Simon at the University of Illinois in the spring of 1980 - at just the time when the environmental doomsday industry had reached the height of its influence and everyone knew the earth was headed to hell in a hand basket.

We could see the signs right before our very eyes.

We had just lived through a decade of gasoline lines, Arab oil embargoes, severe food shortages in the Third World, nuclear accidents, and raging global inflation.

Almost daily the media were reporting some new imminent ecocatastrophe: nuclear winter; ozone depletion, acid rain, species extinction, and the death of the forests and oceans.

The Club of Rome had just released its primal scream, Limits to Growth, which reported that the earth was rapidly running out of everything.

The most famous declinist of the era, biologist Paul Ehrlich, had appeared on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson to fill Americans with fear of impending world famine and make gloomy prognostications, such as, "If I were a gambler, I would bet even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."

The Carter administration published in 1980 its multiagency assessment of the earth's future, titled Global2000.

Its famous doom-and-gloom forecast that "the world in 2000 will be more crowded, more polluted, less stable ecologically .... and the world's people will be poorer in many ways than they are today" received headlines across the nation.

Malthusianism was now the official position of the U.S. government.

It was all so damned depressing.

And, thanks to iconoclast Julian Simon, we now know that it was all so wrong.


It was back in the midst of that aura of gloom that by chance I enrolled in Simon's undergraduate economics course at the University of Illinois.

After the first week of the course, I was convinced that his multitude of critics were right.

He must be a madman.

How could anyone believe the outlandish claims he was making?


That population growth was not a problem; that natural resources were becoming more abundant; that the condition of the environment was improving.

That the incomes of the world's population were rising.

Simon made all of those bold proclamations and more in his masterpiece The Ultimate Resource, published in 1980.

I read the book over and over- three times, in fact- and I came to the humbling realization that everything I had been taught since the first grade about population and environmental issues had been dead wrong.

The weight of the facts that Simon brought to bear against the doomsayers was simply
so overpoweringly compelling that I, like so many others, became a Julian Simon fanatic.

Julian was the person who brought me to Washington in 1982 to work as his research assistant as he finished his next great book (coedited with the late futurist Herman Kahn of the Hudson Institute) titled The Resourceful Earth: A Response to Global2000.

So for more than 15 years I was privileged to occupy a front-row seat from which I watched as Simon thoroughly and often single-handedly capsized the prevailing Malthusian orthodoxy.

He routed nearly every prominent environmental scaremonger of our time: from the Club of Rome, to Paul Ehrlich, to Lester Brown, to AI Gore.


(After reading Earth in the Balance, Julian was convinced that Gore was one of the most dangerous that Gore was one of the most dangerous men and one of the shallowest thinkers in all of American politics.)

Simon's dozens of books and his more than 200 academic articles always brought to bear a vast arsenal of compelling data on and analysis of how life on earth was getting better, not worse.

Simon argued that we were not running out of food, water, oil, trees, clean air; or any other narural resource because throughout the course of human history the price of natural resources had been declining.


Falling long-term prices are prima facie evidence of greater abundance, not increasing scarcity.

He showed that, over time, the environment had been getting cleaner, not dirtier.

He showed that the "population bomb" was a result of a massive global reduction in infant mortality rates and a stunning increase in life expectancy.

"If we place value on human life," Simon argued, "then those trends are to be celebrated, not lamented."

Simon's central premise was that people are the ultimate resource.

"Human beings," he wrote, "are not just more mouths to feed, but are productive and inventive minds that help find creative solutions to man's problems, thus leaving us better off over the long run."

As Ben Wattenberg of the American Enterprise Institute explained in his brilliant tribute to Simon in the Wall Street Journal, "Simon's central point was that natural resources are not finite in any serious way; they are created by the intellect of man, an always renewable resource."

Julian often wondered why most governmental economic and social statistics treat people as if they are liabilities not assets.

"Every time a calf is born," he observed, "the per capita GDP of a nation rises."

"Every time a human baby is born, the per capita GDP falls."

Go figure!

The two trends that Simon believed best captured the long-term improvement in the human condition over the past 200 years were the increase in life expectancy and the decline in infant mortality.

Those trends, Simon maintained, were the ultimate sign of man's victory over death.

Today, many of Julian Simon's views on population and natural resources are so triumphant that they are almost mainstream.

No one can rationally look at the evidence today and still claim, for example, that we are running out of food or energy.

But those who did not know Julian or of his writings in the 1970s and early 1980s cannot fully appreciate how viciously he was attacked from both the left and the right.

Paul Ehrlich once snarled that Simon's writings proved that "the one thing the earth will never run out of is imbeciles."

A famous professor at the University of Wisconsin wrote, "Julian Simon could be dismissed as a simpleminded nut case, if his ideas weren't so dangerous."


To this day I remain convinced that the endless ad hominem attacks were a result of the fact that - try as they would - Simon's critics never once succeeded in puncturing holes in his data or his theories.

What ultimately vindicated his theories was that the doomsayers' predictions of global famine, $100 a barrel oil, nuclear winter, catastrophic depletion of the ozone layer, falling living standards, and so on were all discredited by events.

For example, the year 2000 is almost upon us, and we can now see that the direction in which virtually every trend of human welfare has moved has been precisely the opposite of that predicted by Global 2000.

By now Simon and Kahn's contrarian conclusions in The Resourceful Earth look amazingly prescient.

The ultimate embarrassment for the Malthusians was when Paul Ehrlich bet Simon $1,000 in 1980 that five resources (of Ehrlich's choosing) would be more expensive in 10 years.

Ehrlich lost: 10 years later every one of the resources had declined in price by an average of 40 percent.

Julian Simon loved good news.

And the good news of his life is that, today, the great bogeyman of our time, Malthusianism, has, like communism, been relegated to the dustbin of history with the only remaining believers to be found on the faculties of American universities.

The tragedy is that it is the Paul Ehrlichs of the world who still write the textbooks that mislead our children with wrongheaded ideas.

And it was Paul Ehrlich, not Julian Simon, who won the MacArthur Foundation's "genius award."

Among the many prominent converts to the Julian Simon world view on population and environmental issues were Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II.

Despite howls of protest from the international population control lobby, in 1984 the Reagan administration adopted Simon's position - that the world is not overpopulated and that people are resource creators, not resource destroyers - at the United Nations Population Conference in Mexico City.

The Reaganites called it "supply-side demographics."

Meanwhile, in the late 1980s, Simon traveled by invitation to the Vatican to explain his theories on population growth.

A year later Pope John Paul II's encyclical letter urged nations to treat their people "as productive assets."

Simon's theory about the benefits of people also led him to write extensively about immigration.

In 1989 he published The Economic Consequences of Immigration, which argued that immigrants make "substantial net economic contributions to the United States."

His research in the 1980s showed that, over their lifetimes, immigrants on balance pay thousands of dollars more in taxes than they use in government services, making them a good investment for nativeborn Americans.

It was arguably the most influential book on U.S. immigration policy in 25 years.

Sen. Spencer Abraham (R-Mich.), chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee, has credited Simon's work with helping "keep wide open America's gates to immigrants."

We at the Cato Institute published three of Julian Simon's books and dozens of his articles and studies.

We were always drawn to his celebration of the individual.

Simon believed that human progress depended not only on creative and ingenious minds but also on free institutions.

He often marveled that the only place on earth where life expectancy actually fell in the 20th century was in the Soviet Union and other East European nations during the tyranny of communism.

Many of his most ardent critics were government activists who believe that the only conceivable solution to impending eco-catastrophe is ever more stringent governmental edicts: coercive population stabilization policies, gas rationing, wage and price controls, mandatory recycling, and so on.

Julian had an ebullient spirit, but from time to time he would complain to me that his writings never received the full recognition they deserved from academics.

That was probably true, but I always reminded him that his work had had a more profound impact on the policy debate in Washington than that of any random selection of 100 of his academic peers combined.

Two weeks before Julian died, I was driving through central Iowa and was surprised and delighted to find gasoline selling for 89 cents a gallon.

I hadn't seen gas prices that low since before the OPEC embargo in the early 1970s.

I instantly thought of Julian.

It was one of those little real-world events that confirm he was right all along.

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THE CATO INSTITUTE

"Julian Simon Remembered: It's a Wonderful Life"

by Stephen Moore

March/April 1998

Simon's dozens of books and his more than 200 academic articles always brought to bear a vast arsenal of compelling data on and analysis of how life on earth was getting better, not worse.

Simon argued that we were not running out of food, water, oil, trees, clean air; or any other natural resource because throughout the course of human history the price of natural resources had been declining.

He showed that, over time, the environment had been getting cleaner, not dirtier.

What ultimately vindicated his theories was that the doomsayers' predictions of global famine, $100 a barrel oil, nuclear winter, catastrophic depletion of the ozone layer, falling living standards, and so on were all discredited by events.


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GEO TV

"Experts warn of 'sanitation emergency' as 'worst fly infestation' hits Karachi"


By Web Desk

Thursday Aug 29, 2019

Urban and medical experts have warned of a "sanitation emergency" as Pakistan's economic hub experiences the "worst infestation of flies" to date while local politicians play catch with responsibility.

According to a report in The New York Times, flies in Karachi have become "a bullying force on sidewalks, flying in and out of stores and cars and homes, and settling onto every available surface, from vegetables to people".


The flies follow the torrential rainstorm that hit the southern port city a few weeks ago, leading to days-long power outages and flooding on major thoroughfares and streets as well as in the drainage system.

The Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Center's (JPMC) executive director, Dr Seemin Jamali, told the NYT that the latest was the "worst infestation of flies she had ever witnessed".

She said: “There are huge swarms of flies and mosquitoes."

"It’s not just affecting the life of the common man — they’re so scary, they’re hounding people."


"You can’t walk straight on the road, there are so many flies everywhere.”

Speaking of the remains and tripe left behind on the streets after Eid-ul-Azha, Dr Jamali said: "We have collected these heaps of garbage."

She warned about diseases spreading in the city as a consequence of the poor waste management and stagnant rainwater, saying the ailments included malaria, gastroenteritis, typhoid, dengue fever, the chikungunya virus, respiratory disorders, and Congo fever.

'Completely dysfunctional'

Karachi faces an assortment of challenges — ranging from garbage problems and lack of proper waste disposal systems to fumigation-resistant bugs — but local politicians continue to feud over egos and responsibilities with no one willing to stand up and take charge except if it involves publicity stunts.

The issues became worse with the stagnant rainwater following the downpour early August as well as the entrails of sacrificial animals thrown out on the streets after Eid-ul-Azha.

"The kind of havoc it created — if there are a couple of more spells like this, then the city will become completely dysfunctional," Dr Noman Ahmed, a professor at the NED University of Engineering and Technology, told the NYT.

“Karachi’s livability is falling,” he adding, noting: “The city requires a kind of sanitation emergency.”

The fact that Karachi churns out 12,000 tonnes of waste per day, according to a June 2019 study by the World Bank — coupled with a severe lack of resources and infrastructure, a rampant growth in population, and other climate change issues — has choked the city in terms of commuting and business as well.

A street-side vendor told the publication that his "business has completely ended" and that "whoever comes just looks at the flies".

The problems of Pakistan's most crucial economic and industrial hub are further exacerbated by politicians that rule the city.

Garbage, cleanliness, and rainwater management is what the NYT report termed "an issue that feuding political factions have wielded against each other for years but that hasn’t gotten any better".

It also highlighted how cleanliness drives have become the new "in" thing for politicians.


"The parties tussling for influence in Karachi have not failed to notice."

"In recent days, sanitation has again become a rallying cry — and a political weapon — for politicians."

"The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, or P.T.I., which holds power in the national government, is trying to assert its base in Karachi to fight the traditional provincial-level powerhouse, the Pakistan Peoples Party, or P.P.P," it wrote.

On the other hand, Mustafa Kamal, former Karachi mayor and now-chief of the Pak Sarzameen Party (PSP), had said Tuesday the reason why no one had yet picked garbage from the metropolis was the rampant corruption.

Also to note is the fact that the ruling PTI's federal minister, Ali Zaidi, had on August 2 vowed to clean Karachi in two weeks.

The NYT, however, also noted that to combat the latest plague of flies, politicians would have "to forge a working relationship".

Yet, "the bugs don’t seem willing to observe political boundaries".

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"Record-setting Hurricane Dorian keeps pounding north Bahamas"


By RAMÓN ESPINOSA, Associated Press

2 SEPTEMBER 2019

In a slow, relentless advance, a catastrophic Hurricane Dorian kept pounding at the northern Bahamas early Monday, as one of the strongest Atlantic storms ever recorded left wrecked homes, shredded roofs, tumbled cars and toppled power poles in its wake.

The storm's top sustained winds decreased slightly to 180 mph (285 kph) while it spun along Grand Bahama island overnight in what forecasters said would be a daylong assault.


Earlier, Dorian churned over Abaco island with battering winds and surf during Sunday.

There was little information from the affected islands, though officials expected many residents to be left homeless.

Most people went to shelters as the storm approached, with tourist hotels shutting down and residents boarded up their homes.

"It's devastating," Joy Jibrilu, director general of the Bahamas' Ministry of Tourism and Aviation, said Sunday afternoon.

"There has been huge damage to property and infrastructure."

"Luckily, no loss of life reported."

On Sunday, Dorian's maximum sustained winds reached 185 mph (297 kph), with gusts up to 220 mph (354 kph), tying the record for the most powerful Atlantic hurricane to ever make landfall.

That equaled the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, before storms were named.


The only recorded storm that was more powerful was Hurricane Allen in 1980, with 190 mph (305 kph) winds, though it did not make landfall at that strength.

As of early Monday, the hurricane's westward movement had slowed somewhat to 5 mph (7 kph).

Forecasters said Dorian was most likely to begin pulling away from the Bahamas early Tuesday and curving to the northeast parallel to the U.S. Southeast seaboard.

Still, the potent storm was expected to stay close to shore and hammer the coast with dangerous winds and heavy surf, while authorities cautioned that it could still make landfall.

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster issued an order Sunday for the mandatory evacuation of his state's entire coast.

The order, which covers about 830,000 people, was to take effect at noon Monday, at which point state troopers were to make all lanes on major coastal highways one-way heading inland.

"We can't make everybody happy, but we believe we can keep everyone alive," McMaster said.

A few hours later, Georgia's governor, Brian Kemp, ordered mandatory evacuations for that state's Atlantic coast, also starting at midday Monday.

Authorities in Florida ordered mandatory evacuations in some vulnerable coastal areas.

North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper warned his state that it could see heavy rain, winds and floods later in the week.

Dorian first came ashore Sunday at Elbow Cay in Abaco island at 12:40 p.m., then made a second landfall near Marsh Harbour at 2 p.m.

"Catastrophic conditions" were reported in Abaco, with a storm surge of 18-23 feet (5.5-7 meters).

Video that Jibrilu and government spokesman Kevin Harris said was sent by Abaco residents showed homes missing parts of roofs, electric lines on the ground and smashed and overturned cars.

One showed floodwaters rushing through the streets of an unidentified town at nearly the height of a car roof.

In some parts of Abaco, "you cannot tell the difference as to the beginning of the street versus where the ocean begins," Prime Minister Hubert Minnis said.

According to the Nassau Guardian, he called it "probably the most sad and worst day of my life to address the Bahamian people."

Bahamas radio station ZNS Bahamas reported that a mother and child on Grand Bahama had called to say they were sheltering in a closet and seeking help from police.

Silbert Mills, owner of the Bahamas Christian Network, said trees and power lines were torn down in Abaco.

"The winds are howling like we've never, ever experienced before," said Mills, who was riding out the hurricane with his family in the concrete home he built 41 years ago on central Abaco.

Jack Pittard, a 76-year-old American who has visited the Bahamas for 40 years, also decided to stay put on Abaco for Dorian, which he said was his first hurricane.

A short video from Pittard about 2:30 p.m. Sunday showed the wind shaking his home and ripping off the siding.

The Bahamas archipelago is no stranger to hurricanes.

Homes are required to have metal reinforcements for roof beams to withstand winds into the upper limits of a Category 4 hurricane, and compliance is generally tight for those who can afford it.

Risks are higher in poorer neighborhoods, with wooden homes in low-lying areas.

On Tuesday and Wednesday, Dorian is forecast to be 40 to 50 miles (64 to 80 kilometers) off Florida, with hurricane-force wind speeds extending about 35 miles (56 kilometers) to the west.

The U.S. National Hurricane Center issued a hurricane watch for Florida's East Coast from Deerfield Beach north to the Georgia state line.

The same area was put under a storm surge watch.

Lake Okeechobee was under a tropical storm watch.

Mandatory evacuation orders for low-lying and flood-prone areas and mobile homes were in effect starting either Sunday or Monday from Palm Beach County north to at least the Daytona Beach area, and some counties to the north issued voluntary evacuation notices.

Weekend traffic was light in Florida despite those orders, unlike during the chaotic run-up to Hurricane Irma in 2017 when the unusually broad storm menaced the entire state.

Ken Graham, director of the hurricane center, urged people not to bet on safety just because the forecast track had the storm a bit offshore.

With every new forecast, "we keep nudging (Dorian's track) a little bit to the left" — that is, is closer to the Florida coast, Graham said.

President Donald Trump already declared a state of emergency and was briefed about what he called a "monstrous" storm.

"We don't know where it's going to hit but we have an idea, probably a little bit different than the original course," Trump said.

"But it can change its course again and it can go back more toward Florida."
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