WHO ARE WE THEN, HILLARY?

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 8, 2017 AT 6:54 PM

Paul Plante says:

As we continue to ponder American values in our quest to determine who it is that we are and who it is that we are not, and by the way, Happy Women’s Day to all the women out there, you are very much appreciated by this writer, anyway, it is both interesting and informative to go back to March 18, 1968 to Kansas and the speech of Bobby Kennedy that Hillary Clinton made reference to as “Robert Kennedy’s great, unselfish, compassionate country” at the American Legion convention on September 1, 2016 and examine it in closer detail, to see what relevance it might have to this discussion we are having today.

To begin, we have this, to wit, keeping in mind that these are words that were being spoken in 1968:

Our young people – the best educated, and the best comforted in our history, turn from the Peace Corps and public commitment of a few years ago – to lives of disengagement and despair – many of them turned on with drugs and turned off on America – none of them here, of course, at Kansas – right?

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Our young people, the best educated, and the best comforted in our history, turn from the public commitment of a few years ago to lives of disengagement and despair, many of them turned on with drugs and turned off on America.

Our young people, the best comforted in our history!

Who is it that Bobby Kennedy is talking about there, when he talks about young people here in the United States of America who were the best comforted in our history?

Who were they, and where are they now, for they certainly were not all of us, as my own young life experiences as a poor person out in the countryside attest?

I was not comforted in this country as a young person, nor did I seek comforting!

Being alive and in good health was comfort enough, and the rest was up to me.

And who was it that was giving these young people in America this comfort?

And given all of that comfort, why then were they turning to lives of disengagement and despair, with many of them turned on with drugs and turned off on America?

Now, there is a question to ponder, alright, as we consider the heroin and opioid epidemic gripping this nation’s comforted youth today.

Or was that just some hyperbole from a self-serving political speech by a U.S. presidential candidate?

Getting back to Bobby Kennedy:

All around us, all around us, – not just on the question of Vietnam, not just on the question of the cities, not just the question of poverty, not just on the problems of race relations – but all around us, and why you are so concerned and why you are so disturbed – the fact is, that men have lost confidence in themselves, in each other, it is confidence which has sustained us so much in the past – rather than answer the cries of deprivation and despair – cries which the President’s Commission on Civil Disorders tells us could split our nation finally asunder – rather than answer these desperate cries, hundreds of communities and millions of citizens are looking for their answers, to force and repression and private gun stocks – so that we confront our fellow citizen across impossible barriers of hostility and mistrust and again, I don’t believe that we have to accept that.

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But since we still have those seemingly impossible barriers of hostility and mistrust, or perhaps have them all over again, do we have to accept that?

And if not, what is the answer?

As to Hillary’s answer, it was expressed quite well in her famous Wellesley College commencement address on May 31, 1969 as reported in the Washington Post article “Hillary Clinton’s breakout moment at Wellesley College” by Frances Stead Sellers and Marilyn W. Thompson on August 14, 2016 as follows:

With the national media closely following campus upheaval that spring, Clinton stole the spotlight by rebuking a Washington symbol she had helped elect.

Her performance surprised everyone, even her close friends.

“We’re not interested in social reconstruction,” she corrected the speaker, Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts.

“It’s human reconstruction.”

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But really, people, there are over 300 million souls in this country now, so who is going to do all of that human reconstruction, and more to the point, how?

What is human reconstruction, anyway?

Does it hurt?

Is it painful?

Will it leave permanent scars?

As of this date, no answers from Hillary on that subject have been forthcoming, and truthfully people, does that sound at all like a viable solution to what ails this nation today, or is that just pie-in-the-sky utopian thinking, believing that all of mankind’s woes can be cured by reconstructing human beings into Hillary Clinton’s image?

In 1968, Bobby Kennedy, who had been the 64th Attorney General of the United States from January 1961 to September 1964, serving under his older brother President John F. Kennedy and his successor, President Lyndon B. Johnson, told us that “men have lost confidence in themselves, in each other, it is confidence which has sustained us so much in the past ...”

Consider that, people, “men have lost confidence in each other,” as we read in the Los Angeles Times article “Violence breaks out at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley” by Peter H. King and Ruben Vives on 6 March 2017 as follows:

For the second time in a month, Berkeley was the scene of violent demonstrations as supporters of President Trump clashed with counter-protesters Saturday on the streets of the city.

At least 10 people were arrested and seven others were injured as a series of disturbances marred what was supposed to be a pro-Trump rally in the famously liberal community.

The unrest underscores the heightened political tensions that have taken hold since Trump took office in January.

Saturday’s “March 4 Trump” rally, one of several held across the country, began at Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park about 2 p.m.

The Trump supporters marched several blocks but were met by a group of counter-demonstrators, and fights began breaking out, according to Matthai Chakko, a spokesman for the city of Berkeley.

Videos and photos posted on Twitter showed people punching each other and pulling their hair, with one man using an unidentified object to beat another person.

At least two people, with their faces covered up, could be seen on video trying to set fire to an American flag, while a photo on Twitter showed the bloody face of a man who wore a T-shirt that said “Trump is My President.”

Amy Leona Masker, a 23-year-old student from Las Positas College in Livermore who was on crutches, was among the counter-demonstrators.

She and a fellow student were standing together when they saw the fighting break out.

“These crutches came in handy when people started shoving,” Masker said.

Masker said she came out to “support what really is our country.”

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She came out to “support what really is our country,” but what really is our country?

Still no answers on that forthcoming.

Getting back to the LA Times article on who it is that we seem to be today, more and more, and men losing confidence in each other, we have:

Chakko said among the other items police confiscated at the rally were metal pipes, bats and two-by-fours.

“A group of people carrying bricks were detained and the bricks were confiscated,” he said.

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Really, people, what is up with that?

Do you bring bricks and metal pipes and bats and two-by-fours to what is going to be a peaceful demonstration or counter-demonstration?

Or do you bring those things because you intend to bust some heads?

Getting back to the LA Times:

Berkeley was not the only city that reported clashes between demonstrators.

Six people protesting a Trump rally in St. Paul, Minn., were arrested on felony riot charges after they lit fireworks inside the Minnesota State Capitol and fled, police told the Associated Press.

In Nashville, two people were arrested as protesters clashed with Trump supporters at the Tennessee Capitol.

The groups at times cursed at each other and made physical contact, which state troopers broke up, NPR affiliate WPLN reported.

At least some of the counter-protesters appeared to be members of the so-called black bloc, a group that UC Berkeley officials blamed for many of the problems on campus last month.

The self-described anarchists or anti-fascists have left school and law enforcement officials struggling to cope with their tactics.

The term “black bloc” was used to describe the tight wedges of black-clad protesters in helmets and masks who appeared in street demonstrations in Germany in the 1970s, confounding efforts to single out, identify and prosecute individuals.

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When I read about these “black bloc” counter protesters, presumably among the ones Hillary Clinton is cheering on with her TWITTER TWEETS, and their resemblance to the tight wedges of black-clad protesters in helmets and masks who appeared in street demonstrations in Germany in the 1970s, confounding efforts to single out, identify and prosecute individuals, I am brought back to these words from p.170 of “World Wars And Revolutions” by Walter Phelps Hall, PhD, of Princeton, copyrighted 1943, in the section “THE GREAT DEPRESSION AND THE NAZIS,” as follows:

The chancellor was Bruning, a Centrist.

Neither politically nor financially was the republic to be aided in her death struggle.

The very liberalism of the Weimar Republic was telling now against it.

For years the Nationalists and the Nazis had been organizing and drilling informal private armies of their own, the former the Steel Helmets, the latter the Sturmabteilung (Brown Shirts).

Even the peaceful Social Democrats had done likewise with the Reichsbanner corps.

Germany was seething with violent disorder.

Armed bands were attacking Jews and Communists, the former not retaliating, the latter fighting back.

Between the accession of Bruning in March, 1930, and the burning of the Reichstag building in February, 1933, which threw Germany into Hitler’s power, the utmost confusion reigned.

Plot and counterplot followed.

There were two presidential and two Reichstag elections; there were innumerable street riots and many murders; and the political balance swayed backward and forward between the defenders of Weimar and the Nationalists, the Nazis, and the Communists who hated the republic.

Much is still obscure concerning these three hectic years during which the Nazis and the Nationalists, wearing their private uniforms, marched out of the Reichstag and into it again, during which Bruning, a confirmed moderate and well-wisher of the republic, was compelled to rule largely by decree until he lost the support of the President, during which also the Junker aristocracy played constantly with fire (Adolph Hitler), only in the end to be badly scorched.

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Germany was seething with violent disorder, then, and today, it is this nation which is seething with violent disorder, with what seem to be private political armies springing up such as this so-called black bloc, the self-described anarchists or anti-fascists who have left school and law enforcement officials struggling to cope with their tactics and the group that UC Berkeley officials blamed for many of the problems on campus last month.

There’s something happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear; there’s a man with a gun over there, telling me I got to beware; I think it’s time we stop, children, what’s that sound, everybody look what’s going down!

Those are words to a VEET NAM era song by the Buffalo Springfield released in 1966.

How appropriate they again seem today.

Or is it all just me?

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 9, 2017 AT 7:31 PM

Paul Plante says:

My goodness, people!

Just when you thought that it could not get any more bizarre and surreal than it already is, it gets even more bizarre and surreal, as we read in the BLOOMBERG article “Russian Hackers Said to Seek Hush Money From Liberal U.S. Groups” by Michael Riley on 6 March 2017, as follows:

Russian hackers are targeting U.S. progressive groups in a new wave of attacks, scouring the organizations’ emails for embarrassing details and attempting to extract hush money, according to two people familiar with probes being conducted by the FBI and private security firms.

At least a dozen groups have faced extortion attempts since the U.S. presidential election, said the people, who provided broad outlines of the campaign.

The ransom demands are accompanied by samples of sensitive data in the hackers’ possession.

In one case, a non-profit group and a prominent liberal donor discussed how to use grant money to cover some costs for anti-Trump protesters.

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What in the heck is going on here, people?

Is this America?

Or is it really someplace else, and who among us can tell the difference anymore, so strange things seem as the days go by.

Are these U.S. progressive groups allegedly being targeted by these Russian hackers looking for hush money, if we are to believe the news, the ones who are paying the freight to maintain and train this paramilitary anarchist group that calls itself the “black bloc?”

For those of you who do not follow the malicious acts of some dangerous lunatics calling themselves anarchists and so are unfamiliar with this “black bloc,” we can read about them as follows in this report from CBS San Francisco on February 1, 2017, as follows:

BERKELEY, Calif. (CBS SF/AP) — Protesters armed with bricks and fireworks mounted an assault on the building hosting a speech by polarizing Breitbart News editor Milo Yiannopoulos Wednesday night, forcing the event’s cancellation.

Hundreds of protesters were observed at Wednesday evening’s event.

Over 2,100 people responded to a Facebook post that they would be attending.

Several student groups had called for protests and pledged to shut down the evening event.

Earlier Wednesday, the university sent a notice to all students that warned of crowds near the student union, where the 500-seat, sold-out event was scheduled.

“We anticipate there will be major protest/demonstration activity leading up to and surrounding this event,” the letter from school officials said.

It did not discourage protests but advised those who didn’t wish to participate to avoid the area.

By 8 p.m., a large crowd of people had moved off the campus and onto Telegraph Avenue.

They smashed ATMs at a Bank of America branch and set several trash fires on Telegraph Avenue.

After marching west on Durant Avenue, the group moved north on Shattuck Avenue, smashing windows and vandalizing a Mechanics Bank branch near the corner of Bancroft Way.

Chase and Wells Fargo branches were also vandalized.

A Starbucks location near campus was vandalized and looted.

Police also received reports that banks were set on fire in the area of Center Street and Shattuck Avenue.

At 9:23 p.m., BART officials announced that trains were not stopping at the Downtown Berkeley station due to a civil disturbance in the area.

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They smashed and looted a Starbucks, people!

What kind of a desperate lunatic act is that, now?

And did those protesters who showed up armed with bricks and fireworks and crowbars come expecting to take part in a peaceful assembly as the First Amendment of our Constitution guarantees, as is explained in the article “Right To Assemble” by Lisa A. Bancuk as follows:

In the First Amendment to the United States Constitution it states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” ).

The right of a citizen to peacefully 1) parade and gather or 2) demonstrate support or opposition of public policy or 3) express one’s views is guaranteed by the freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble.

Historic Roots

The First Amendment states that Congress can make no law hindering the right of the people to peaceably assemble.

Before the Bill of Rights, the Declaration and Resolves of the First Continental Congress declared on October 14, 1774:

The inhabitants of the English colonies in North-America, by the immutable laws of nature, the principals of the English constitution, and the several charters or compacts, have the following rights: They have a right peaceably to assemble, consider their grievances, and petition the king: and that all prosecutions, prohibitory proclamations, and commitments for the same are illegal.

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Now, as one of this nation’s many disabled veterans who shed blood to defend our Constitution and to keep Hillary Clinton safe, I will be the first to admit that these anarchists in the paramilitary organization known as the “black bloc” certainly have as much right as anybody on the planet peaceably to assemble, consider their grievances, and petition the government for redress of any possible grievances they might have, but when you are peaceably to assemble, do you really need to bring along your bricks and bats and two-by-fours so you can smash the **** out of a Starbucks in the course of being peaceable?

Think about that for a moment if you will, people, as we read about these liberal groups in America allegedly using some kind of grant money to pay protesters with, which the hackers in Russia have somehow caught wind of and are now seeking hush money to keep quiet about it.

Getting back to the BLOOMBERG article “Russian Hackers Said to Seek Hush Money From Liberal U.S. Groups” by Michael Riley on 6 March 2017, we have:

At least some groups have paid the ransoms even though there is little guarantee the documents won’t be made public anyway.

Demands have ranged from about $30,000 to $150,000, payable in untraceable bitcoins, according to one of the people familiar with the probe.

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Now, that is some serious money, people.

And getting back to BLOOMBERG:

The Center for American Progress, a Washington think tank with strong links to both the Clinton and Obama administrations, and Arabella Advisors, which guides liberal donors who want to invest in progressive causes, have been asked to pay ransoms, according to people familiar with the probes.

“Arabella Advisors was affected by cyber crime,” said Steve Sampson, a spokesman for the firm, which lists 150 employees operating in four offices.

’’All facts indicate this was financially motivated.’’

Allison Preiss, a spokeswoman for the Center for American Progress, said the group had no comment.

The hackers’ targeting of left-leaning groups — and the sifting of emails for sensitive or discrediting information — has set off alarms that the attacks could constitute a fresh wave of Russian government meddling in the U.S. political system.

None of the possible explanations for the attacks are particularly comforting to the victimized groups, few of which are household names but are part of the foundation of liberal politics in the U.S.

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The foundation of liberal policies in the U.S., people.

But what kind of “liberal policies” can they be if they are somehow associated with brick-wielding and crowbar-wielding anarchist paramilitaries who are out there smashing the **** out of a Starbucks, which is the symbol of liberalism in America and the world if there ever was one.

And interestingly, that brings us back to a curious statement made by then just plain Hillary D. Rodham, before she hooked up with Bill at Yale to form the power duo they are today, in her 1969 Student Commencement Speech at elite Wellesley College in Wellesley, Massachusetts on May 31, 1969, as follows:

Before the days of the media orchestrated demonstrations, we had our own gathering over in Founder’s parking lot.

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“Before the days of the media orchestrated demonstrations …”

WHOA!

Play the tape back, please!

Now, what exactly was our precious Hillary really saying there when she spoke about “media orchestrated demonstrations,” keeping in mind that this was 1969, a time of massive demonstrations and civil unrest here in America?

Was Hillary actually saying that these demonstrations back then, including the Dow Riots in Madison, Wisconsin and the student riots in Chicago, Illinois during the Democrat National Convention in 1968 were in fact orchestrated by the media?

It certainly seems it, does it not, people?

And if so, what does that tell us about who we are as a people?

Somebody orchestrated those demonstrations back then, because they certainly didn’t happen by accident, given the relatively primitive means of communication among and between the average citizen that existed back then before Al Gore invented the internet and got us all finally hooked together as we are today.

And that brings us to perhaps the weirdest part of this on-going story concerning who it is who might not be paying these paramilitary protesters, which comes to us from the Washington Post – Democracy Dies in Darkness story “How a hoax website about paid protesters came crumbling down live on TV” by Abby Ohlheiser on January 18, 2017, as follows:

The website for an organization calling itself Demand Protest made its mission pretty clear: “When your strategy demands paid protest, we organize and bring it to life.”

Billing itself as a group that generated the “appearance of outrage” on behalf of left-wing causes, the existence of Demand Protest became an attractive story for many right-wing media outlets.

The group, it appeared, was proof that dissent against Trump was manufactured by shady leftist organizations, and could be lucrative: one Backpage.com ad placed in Demand Protest’s name promised a full-time job that paid a $2,500 retainer, plus $50/hr., and benefits.

It was the perfect story to share, if you’re inclined to believe that anti-Trump protesters must be getting paid to be there.

Something to that effect has long been in the canon of largely unsubstantiated rumors circulating on the Trump Internet.

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It is interesting to read that statement in the Washington Post on January 18, 2017 about “if you’re inclined to believe that anti-Trump protesters must be getting paid to be there” in the light of the BLOOMBERG story above from 6 March 2017 about these liberal groups allegedly being shaken down by these Russian hackers who somehow have the goods on them for something, anyway, like paying for protesters with some kind of grant money.

Getting back to the Washington Post and fake news:

A well-known fake news writer even fabricated an “interview” with a protester who said he was paid $3,500 to protest at a Trump rally – a story that was shared on Twitter by Trump’s then-campaign manager.

And like that made-up story, it also appears that Demand Protest is a made-up group, one that fooled quite a few news sources before being dramatically debunked on-air by Tucker Carlson.

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WOW, people, can you believe this stuff?

If I was writing it, you would think I had gone plumb loco, and truthfully, so would I, for who can write this stuff without being considered crazy or off the wall?

Getting back to the venerable Washington Post, a fount of truth in American press reporting if there ever was one, we have:

Here’s an incomplete look at how we got here: a few days ago, the Gateway Pundit wrote a piece titled “BREAKING: Far Left Group Is Paying Activists a Monthly Salary to Stop TRUMP,” and cited 4Chan in mentioning a possible link between Demand Protest and George Soros.

InfoWars was a bit more skeptical, hedging their story on Demand Protest as a “report” and writing that “it’s unclear if the DemandProtest.com website is actually legitimate.”

The Washington Times also credulously reported on the Backpage ads.

Breitbart, meanwhile, used the ads as evidence in an article that suggested that fears of pro-Trump inauguration violence was “fake news.”

“The facts tell a different story,” the Breitbart article says.

“The left is gearing up for war, and hiring mercenaries.”

Other sites, like The Federalist Papers, helped to feed the story into the hyperpartisan Facebook ecosystem.

It made it to the Drudge Report.

All this happened with no evidence to support claims that Demand Protest actually did anything it advertised on its website – the existence of a backpage ad, which pretty much anyone can create and place, was it.

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Ah, okay, if you say so, you are the Washington Post, afterall, but truthfully, people, and you would be the ones to know – is the Facebook ecosystem really hyperpartisan, or is that simply some hyperbole freely injected into a news story about a possibly fake website for dramatic effect?

Getting back to how it is that the Washington Post knows for certain that Demand Protest is a fake website, we have:

And on a Fox News segment Tuesday night, someone claiming to represent the group more or less admitted that the whole thing was a hoax.

Tucker Carlson’s bizarre on-camera interview with a Demand Protest representative who gave his name as “Dom Tullipso” felt like a piece of performance art, something even Carlson himself said out loud in the middle of the interview.

“So, this is a sham, your company isn’t real, your website is fake, the claims you have made are lies, this is a hoax,” Carlson began, before saying that his team couldn’t find a record of a person by the name “Dom Tullipso.”

The supposed-Tullipso responded by correcting Carlson’s pronunciation of Tullipso.

“Tullipso” also claimed, over the course of the interview, that a wave of hate mail from all the media coverage prompted the group to change its mind about a half-hour before the interview, so the group was now pro-Trump.

“It’s pretty darn easy these days to say whatever you want on national TV and have it passed off as truth,” he said.

At the end of the interview, “Tullispso” told Carlson, “God bless you for fact checking, even if you did it while we were on the air.”

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There we have it, people: it is pretty darn easy these days to say whatever you want on national TV and have it passed off as truth, especially if you happen to be a candidate running for the office of U.S. president.

And that is it, people, and how much more conclusive do we really need it to be, being the mature, rational people that we are – the Washington Post says it all, or at least what needs to be said – Demand Protest doesn’t exist, so it cannot be the one that is paying these protesters to come to demonstrations with bricks and bats and crowbars to smash the **** out of a Starbucks?

So is paying them?

Or are they doing it pro bono out of the goodness of their hearts and a heightened sense of patriotism and civic duty?

Stay tuned, for with this bizarre chapter in our American history, there is much more yet to come.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 11, 2017 AT 7:48 PM

Paul Plante says:

And as we continue to ponder what it is that is happening here, inside the confusion, rancor, division and calumniating that is gripping the United States of America today, so that if it were an animal like a dog, for example, one would expect to see it down on the ground on its side furiously spinning in a thrashing circle with three of its legs crazily pumping while at the same time copiously foaming at the mouth while chewing off its other leg with snarling, snapping teeth, and who it is that we as a people might be in the course of actually ever getting there, assuming that we are a people, and not just a large mass of bodies in somewhat close proximity to each other with no other bonds than that, much as what happens to rats in a maze when you pack too many of them in there and they become anti-social as a result, this as we consider the statement the then just plain Hillary Rodham before she became Hillary Clinton made in her famous commencement address at elite Wellesley College on May 31, 1969 about “Before the days of the media orchestrated demonstrations,” that in the light of these violent “blac bloc” paramilitaries out in California smashing the **** out of a Starbucks, and that in the light of these most recent revelations about Russian hackers shaking down liberal groups in this country for hush money, apparently to keep them quiet about any connections these liberal groups might have with these violent protesters, we should take just a moment to consider this following about these “blac bloc”dudes from the Los Angeles Times article “UC Berkeley blames violent ‘black bloc’ protesters for ‘unprecedented invasion'” by Veronica Rocha and Peter H. King on February 5, 2017, reporting from BERKELEY:

They dressed “like ninjas” and marched onto UC Berkeley’s Sproul Plaza like a paramilitary force armed with bats, steel rods, fireworks and Molotov cocktails, officials say.

The scheduled appearance Wednesday of conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos was still two hours away, but it was precisely the time that most local television stations were beginning their live 6 p.m. broadcasts.

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HMMMMMM, people.

Precisely the time that most local television stations were beginning their live 6 p.m. broadcasts.

Ah, OK, and that was probably just by coincidence, wasn’t it, people, that these “blac bloc” dudes, and notice the language of the LA Times describing them as “marching onto UC Berkeley’s Sproul Plaza like a paramilitary force armed with bats, steel rods, fireworks and Molotov cocktails,” the normal run of non-projectile weaponry one normally brings to what is going to be a peaceful demonstration, and all those waiting television cameras just happened to be in the same place at precisely the same time.

That was a coincidence, wasn’t it?

So what happened then?

Well, let’s go back to the LA Times and see:

Within minutes, the group of 100 to 150 agitators had smashed half a dozen windows with barricades, launched fireworks at police and toppled a diesel-powered klieg light, which caused it to burst into flames.

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OMG, people, and the television cameras just loved it, because let’s face it, people, when you are in show biz like the newsies on TV are, its all about ratings, and dull and boring stuff does not good ratings make.

But a bunch of well-armed ninjas smashing the **** out of stuff right in front of you, live as it happens, and making things burn on live TV?

You betcha – that is the stuff careers in TV news are made out of!

Getting back to the LA Times, we have this surprising news about these “blac bloc” dudes:

“They didn’t come to lock arms and sing ‘Kumbaya,’” said Dan Mogulof, assistant vice chancellor and spokesman for the UC Berkeley.

“They came to [mess stuff] up,” he said, using stronger language.

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WOW, people, ain’t it?

Who’d a thought that there could be such people right here in the same America that we all are in.

Or are we, really?

Do we share the same reality as these “blac bloc” dudes do?

Are we all at heart in this country really a bunch of closet anarchists, a “basket of deplorables” as Hillary Clinton would have it, secretly salivating for a chance to do what these “blac bloc” dudes have the courage to do, grab a crowbar or tire iron or maybe even a rolling pin, and go out on a rampage with them, smashing everything in sight and turning over things, while laughing maniacally, just for the hell of it, since when you are an anarchist, you are bound by no rules, and thus, nothing you do really has to make any kind of rational sense.

You just smash up a Starbucks, because it is there and it makes you feel all warm and squishy inside to do it.

Or are we in fact, some of us, anyway, “better than that,” as we also hear from the same Hillary Clinton?

Something to think about, anyway.

Getting back to the “blac bloc” and the LA Times:

While so-called black bloc agitators have become a fixture of Bay Area demonstrations in the last decade, their appearance at Berkeley on Wednesday and otherwise peaceful demonstrations threatens to inflame tensions in an already polarized nation.

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Their appearance at Berkeley and otherwise peaceful demonstrations threatens to inflame tensions in an already polarized nation.

An already polarized nation, people?

Are they talking about us?

Or some hellhole like Syria?

And is that by accident, people, do you think, that these “blac bloc” paramilitaries dressed like ninjas are showing up now, which raises a real serious question as to how somebody is able to take a bunch of supposed anarchists who are anarchists because they don’t follow the rules of others, and mold them into a cohesive fighting force all working together to smash up a Starbucks, along with a college campus, which means somebody is giving orders and the rest are taking them, which is quite uncharacteristic of an anarchist.

That is why anarchy has always failed in the past, because anarchists are individualists, they don’t form collectives.

So how did somebody get them to start working together now?

Getting back to the LA Times:

The self-described anarchists or antifascists have left school and law enforcement agencies struggling to cope with their tactics.

Moving officers into Wednesday night’s melee, would have created “a lethal, horror situation,” said campus Police Chief Margo Bennett.

“We have to do exactly what we did last night: to show tremendous restraint,” she said.

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Yes, people, you are reading that right – the police were told to stand down and so they stood back and let the violence happen for the TV cameras to capture, out of cringing fear as to what would happen to them if they dared confront these domestic terrorists running rampage in our country, or the country that used to be ours, anyway.

Domestic terrorists, one; police, nothing, in that encounter.

And here comes in the “foreign influence” element:

UC Berkeley officials are now talking with federal and local law enforcement agencies about how to address black bloc tactics, which first appeared in Europe in the 1980s but have grown increasingly common in the United States in recent years.

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How, people, did these “blac bloc” tactics manage, like some invasive plant species, or pest, to migrate across an ocean that separates us from Europe, to become commonplace over here?

And who was it who then schooled others in the use of these violent tactics over here?

Getting back to the LA Times:

“We have never seen this on the Berkeley campus,” Mogulof said.

“This was an unprecedented invasion.”

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An unprecedented invasion, people.

How would that go over in Cape Charles, does anyone think?

Or is that something which could never happen here, just elsewhere in somebody else’s backyard?

And what are the possible consequences of this “unprecedented invasion?”

Let’s see what the LA Times has to say about that:

Mogulof said Berkeley administrators are dedicated to protecting the 1st Amendment and free speech, but certain events might need to have a closer look, especially if there is potential for major disruption and destruction on campus.

School officials, he said, are reviewing their policing tactics as well as their policies and protocols for future events featuring controversial speakers.

He said “it’s not about limiting free speech,” but about protecting the students and campus.

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But of course it is about limiting speech, people, and if anyone bothers to learn the history of this nation, it has been about limiting speech right from the very outset.

Witness the Sedition Act introduced during the reign of second American president John Adams, who some considered literally insane, and The People of the State of New York v. Harry Croswell (3 Johns. Cas. 337 N.Y. 1804), commonly known and cited as People v. Croswell, which was an important case in the evolution of United States defamation law and freedom of speech that was argued by the HIP-HOP star Alexander Hamilton when he was a lawyer in New York.

That was a criminal libel case brought against a Federalist journalist named Harry Croswell for his statements about a number of public officials, including then-President Thomas Jefferson, who wanted Croswell made an example of.

Croswell was initially convicted in Columbia County court, to the south of me, of seditious libel, a very serious offence back then, where the jury was instructed to consider only the question of fact before them, as to whether Croswell had been the one to publish the statements at issue under a pseudonym.

Through Hamilton, Croswell appealed to the Supreme Court of New York, then the state’s highest court, for a new trial on several issues including those instructions and in a famous and lengthy argument on Croswell’s behalf, Alexander Hamilton tried to convince the judges that truthful statements should not be considered defamatory, regardless of what they concerned.

The judges deadlocked and Croswell’s conviction stood, although he was never sentenced or retried, and the following year the issue became legally moot as the New York State Legislature wrote Hamilton’s argument into the state’s libel law, breaking with English precedent under which the truthfulness of the statements alone is not a defense.

Other states and the federal government then followed suit, and since then, it has been a cornerstone of American law on the subject that truthful statements are not actionable.

So how to shut them down then?

Simple!

Every time somebody is going to try to speak, say a Republican congress person, for example, and you don’t want them to have a voice, you just sic a violent mob and them, and that is that.

Speech is really still free; it is just that some free speech can be heard, and well, for the sake of public safety from these violent club-wielding goons at loose in this country now, some other speech that still is free just can’t be heard in public, for the sake of safety.

So the goons and the anti-free-speech people win by default, and by plan.

And curiously, thinking of all this anarchist violence in this country today, coupled with Hamilton defending that libel case involving Tommy Jefferson, reminded me of all the bad press being given to Tommy back then, due to his unwavering support for the French Revolution, including the beheading of the hapless Louis Capet, once Louis XVI of France before the revolution Tommy Jefferson in this country was cheering on, and cries that our Tommy was really a Jacobin, himself.

And when I GOOGLED “Jefferson was a Jacobin,” from something calling itself marxists.org, we have as follows:

Jacobinism

The Jacobins were the leaders of the French bourgeois revolution of 1789-93.

The term is now used to refer to the radical democratic-revolutionary traditions of struggle of the bourgeois democratic movement against tyranny.

Jacobinism was the first international revolutionary movement, having inspired the supporters of American politician, Thomas Jefferson.

His supporters organized “Jacobin Clubs” to support his candidacy for President of the United States in the early 19th Century.

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So here and there are connected by an unbroken chain, people.

Now, if we could only figure out where here really is, and who it is that we are not, so we can finally figure out who in the heck it is that we are, what a world this could be.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 20, 2017 AT 6:08 PM

Paul Plante says:

Mike, before I say anything else, let me say this, and in all sincerity; you are the dude, Mike, with that piece right above here!

You hit a lot of nails on the head with surprisingly few blows, which is a sign of an artist with words.

But, Mike, while you hit many nails square on the head, at the same time, you made it clear that you haven’t a clue as to the significance of Viet Nam, or VEET NAM, as the horse’s-*** from Texas who replaced JFK in the White House called it, not only in my life, but in the life of this nation, as well, every single soul alive then, and after, including your own life, which is a product of the VEET NAM times in America, all those things you are saying my narcissistic and sociopathic generation squandered, the great gains in science (think moon landing), social and economic equality (civil rights), civic mindedness (investing in education and infrastructure), even environmental protection (think Nixon and the clean air/water acts), all of which you say came from the generation before the boomers and the boomers squandered it to leave your generation in the worst place possible where your generation will not ever retire, will not have affordable health care, will not have affordable housing, and will be left with looming environmental and world wide political disasters.

Well, Mike, it was that same generation before the Boomers that gave us Viet Nam, and everything in this nation which has happened with Viet Nam, probably starting with racial unrest, something you fail to mention in your screed above.

Viet Nam gave us Hillary Rodham Clinton, Mike, and her senior class thesis on the topic of the Chicago community organizer Saul Alinsky, entitled, very appropriately, “There Is Only the Fight.”

That was 1969, right at the heart of the Viet Nam war, give or take.

And to this day, Mike, Hillary is still fighting, which means she always needs a new enemy, and when she was secretary of state, like John “JACK” Kerry, another product of Viet Nam who affects your life today, she created those enemies in Ukraine, Libya, and Syria, where we Boomers are squandering your future today, but oh, wait, wasn’t Barack Hussein Obama really of your generation, not mine?

As to Alinsky, Mike, a product, if I recall, of the generation before the Boomers, whose philosophy of change is sprouting up all around your generation as I write these words with paramilitary forces like the “blac bloc” dudes, who are not of my generation, Mike, running around smashing the **** out of things, like Hitler’s SA used to do, he is the author of “Rules for Radicals,” which provides us as follows:

In this book we are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people; to realize the democratic dream of equality, justice, peace…. “Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.’ This means revolution.” p.3

“Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing.” p.6

“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.” p.10

“An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth — truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing…. To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations….” pp.10-11

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Those are words Barack Hussein Obama adhered to, Mike.

And that is what is going on all around us in America today.

As to John “JACK” Kerry, who was in the Navy in Viet Nam and fashioned himself into a modern-day version with his Swiftboat exploits of the WWII naval hero John “JACK” Kennedy, who became a U.S. president because of his famous PT-109, he lost the presidency because of Viet Nam, Mike, and his testimony before subcommittees of the U.S. Senate in April, 1971, as follows:

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones.

I conducted harassment and interdiction fire.

I used 50-caliber machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people.

I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages.

All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down.

And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant [William] Calley, are war criminals.

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Those men he was calling war criminals were members of the generation before the Boomers.

And with respect to the impact of Viet Nam on your generation, Mike, and the squandering of your future, in the Preface to the excellent American history Dereliction of Duty – Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, The Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the lies that led to Viet Nam by H.R. McMaster, copyright 1997, he states as follows with respect to this thread:

Despite scores of books on the subject, the WHY and HOW of direct U.S. intervention in the Vietnam War remains unclear.

The war continues to capture the public interest in part because, looking back, its cost seems exorbitant – and would seem so even if the United States had “won”.

The war took the lives of fifty-eight thousand Americans and well over one million Vietnamese.

It left Vietnam in ruins and consumed billions of American dollars, nearly wrecking the American economy.

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There went your future, Mike – POOF!

One day, there was a fire.

How is that for stupid is as stupid does, Mike?

I was 23 when that BULL**** was happening, Mike.

I wasn’t giving the orders, they were being given to me, and not by other Boomers.

So when you vent your spleen on those who you think consigned you to hell, make sure you give some of it to the generation where it belongs.

Getting back to McMaster:

Vietnam divided American society and inflicted upon the United States one of the greatest political traumas since the Civil War.

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There is your legacy, Mike.

Don’t blame it on me.

And back to McMaster:

Indeed, the war’s legacies proved to be as profound as the war was traumatic.

It led Americans to question the integrity of their government as never before.

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That is me, Mike, that is my contribution to your generation and my own grandchildren – I get off my *** to stand up and be counted, as can plainly be seen in this sworn affidavit from 229 AD2d 650 Supreme Court, State of New York – Appellate Division, Third Judicial Department, to wit:

REPLY AFFIDAVIT

Paul R. Plante, N.Y.S.P.E., being duly sworn, deposes and says:

1. I am one of the pro se petitioner/respondents in the above captioned matter, and as such, I am fully familiar with the facts in the matter and the prior proceedings had herein.

2. I make this affidavit in reply to certain averments made under oath in paragraphs 15, 16 and 17 of the April 22, 1996 Answering Affidavit of Poestenkill Town Supervisor John E. Zweig in connection with the above matter (hereinafter “Zweig Affidavit”), a copy of which is annexed hereto as Exhibit A and made a part of for the Court’s convenience, and in response to certain unsworn and scurrilous allegations made in an April 22, 1996 letter of Poestenkill Town Attorney Patrick J. Tomaselli, Esq. annexed to the Zweig Affidavit as Exhibit D.

10. Based upon a review of the facts in connection with the litigation I have been involved in as a pro se litigant, which upon information and belief Mr. Tomaselli is well aware of in his capacity as attorney for the Town of Poestenkill, it can be readily demonstrated to this Court that the above statement of Mr. Tomaselli which Mr. Zweig relies on in paragraph 16 of his April 22, 1996 affidavit is patently false.

11. Annexed hereto as Exhibit C and made a part hereof is a twenty (20) page decision of Honorable Robert C. Williams, J.S.C. in Matter of Lascari, Kaskoun, Mouawad, Plante, Valentine and Powley v. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation et al., Albany Co. Index No. 3943/92, dated May 18, 1993.

12. As the Court will note from a review of the appearances at page two of that decision, I was one of the pro se petitioners therein.

13. At page three, the Court will note that the petitioners in that petition were asking the Court to determine that the DEC’s decision to proceed in issuing a mined land reclamation permit to Mr. Tomaselli’s client R.J. Valente Gravel, Inc. without requiring preparation of an environmental impact statement was unlawful.

14. “Having reviewed the record” says the Court therein, it agreed with the petitioners and accordingly, the permit was annulled.

15. That decision was never appealed from by the State of New York.

16. In that decision at pages 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 18, the Court relied upon factual statements made by this petitioner in sworn affidavits to that Court in annulling the permit at issue in that proceeding.

18. Annexed hereto as Exhibit D and made a part hereof is a February 15, 1994 decision of Honorable Edward O. Spain, J.S.C. in Matter of Paul R. Plante v. Planning Board of Town of Poestenkill, Rensselaer County Index No. 177914.

19. In that decision which was based upon my pro se petition in that proceeding, Hon. Justice Spain annulled a special use permit which the Planning Board of the Town of Poestenkill had improperly issued to R.J. Valente Gravel, Inc. of Troy, New York, Mr. Tomaselli’s client, on June 17, 1992.

20. Now, according to Mr. Tomaselli’s operative theory at page one of his April 22, 1996 letter annexed to Mr. Zweig’s affidavit as Exhibit D, and according to the averments at paragraph 17 of Mr. Zweig’s April 22, 1996 sworn affidavit, I am supposed to have allegedly “targeted” the Poestenkill Planning Board with “untruthful, unwarranted, and downright vicious personal invectives” allegedly “launched” like so many Scud missiles to serve some particular agenda or cause of mine, which in reality is First Amendment redress of grievance, and I am further alleged by Messrs. Zweig and Tomaselli to have ignored or distorted facts and/or law, concentrating instead on “personal insults and name-calling” against the members of the Poestenkill Planning Board in order to induce Judge Spain, a very respected jurist who now sits on this Court, to annul the permit in question and award me costs in that matter, and according to that operative theory, Judge Spain is supposed to have fallen like a ton of bricks for such bunkum and twaddle in annulling the permit.

21. Such a theory by Messrs. Zweig and Tomaselli of course requires this Court to assume that Judge Spain is a fool, and I personally will have no part in such gratuitous “judge-bashing,” which conduct I extremely revolting and repugnant.

22. In applying the Tomaselli/Zweig “theory” of how the law allegedly works in the County of Rensselaer, where according to Mr. Tomaselli, respected Judges like Justice Spain allegedly annul Town of Poestenkill special permits based on nothing more than distorted facts and/or law and personal insults, I would ask this Court to take note of the fact that costs against planning boards in the State of New York are awarded only when the Court has before it evidence that the planning board acted with gross negligence, or in bad faith or with malice in making the decision appealed from, as was the case in that matter.

23. Apparently, according to the Tomaselli/Zweig theory, my alleged distortions of fact and/or law and personal insults and name-calling in that matter before Judge Spain would have “buffaloed” this Court, and so an appeal would not have succeeded, so “silver a tongue” am I alleged to have.

24. Based upon these two decisions alone, it becomes readily apparent that there is no merit whatsoever to the averments of Mr. Zweig based upon the assertions of Mr. Tomaselli that I am a “liar,” and based upon these two decisions alone, the contempt that these two gentlemen have for the judges who serve the public in the County of Rensselaer becomes readily apparent.

25. It does not end there, however, unfortunately.

26. Annexed hereto as Exhibit E and made a part of is a transcript decision of Judge Spain dated March 28, 1994, in Matter of Paul R. Plante v. Poestenkill Town Board, Jay F. Nish, Paul Sieloff, Nelson Armlin, Mark Dunlea and Kristine Legenbauer, Rensselaer County Index No. 179138, wherein Judge Spain annulled a resolution of the Poestenkill Town Board made on November 10, 1992 based upon facts stated under oath by myself in my pro se petition in that matter.

32. Annexed hereto as Exhibit F and made a part hereof is a September 18, 1995 decision of Honorable James B. Canfield in Matter of Byer et al. v. Town of Poestenkill, Rensselaer County Index No. 183977, wherein Judge Canfield annulled a local law passed by the Poestenkill Town Board in July of 1994 because the Town Board failed to comply with the law as it is written in the State of New York.

33. In that decision at pages two and three, this Court will note that I moved the Court below to intervene in that matter and that I was successful in that motion.

36. At pages six and seven, the Court found based upon my affidavit testimony that the Poestenkill Town Board had “completely” failed to comply with the requirements of SEQRA when it passed Local Law No. 2 of 1994.

40. Annexed hereto as Exhibit G and made a part of is an affirmation of Assistant New York State Attorney General Kathleen Liston Morrison dated October 14, 1993, in Matter of the Application of Paul R. Plante v. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Albany County Index No. 4840-93.

41. In that particular matter, Assistant Attorney General Morrison conceded to Judge Robert C. Williams, J.S.C., based upon the averments in my petition alone that in fact, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation was in error when it issued the permit in question.

42. Specifically, in paragraph 2 of Exhibit G, Assistant Attorney General Morrison can be seen stating that based on the averments in my petition in that matter, DEC was in error in part because it had not complied with the New York State Uniform Procedures Act, the New York State Solid Waste Management Act, and SEQRA.

43. Thereafter, in a November 19, 1993 decision annexed hereto as Exhibit H and made a part hereof, Justice Williams annulled that permit, based on nothing more than the averments in my petition in that matter.

44. Matter of Plante v. DEC, Albany County Index No. 4840-93 was never appealed from.

46. At this point, based upon the evidence which I have annexed hereto, I believe that it is readily apparent that Mr. Tomaselli and Mr. Zweig never really had anything of substance to say to this Court concerning my conduct as a licensed professional engineer in the State of New York, and so I will my demonstration of that fact at this juncture.

DATED: April 25, 1996

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That is who I have been in real life, Mike.

And as a real man of his actions and words who doesn’t rest on any laurels associated with signing a piece of paper back when, Mike, I rest real well right now knowing I got off my *** and went and stood on the line separating civilization from chaos and anarchy to empower the people younger than me to think, to fight, to learn, and to serve, starting with my own children.

And thanks for your patriotism, Mike, it is appreciated.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 18, 2017 AT 7:13 PM

Paul Plante says:

And while we are on the subject of the universal “we,” or in the case of Mike, the universal “all of you old people,” I would like to pause here in mid-sentence to thank Divine Providence, Wayne Creed and the Cape Charles Mirror for providing us this forum in here to explore this very serious issue of who it is we are as a nation, and who it is that we are not.

And I would especially like to thank Mike for making it patently clear to not only everyone in America, so widely is the Cape Charles Mirror read, but in the candid world as well, since the distribution of the Cape Charles Mirror is not limited to the continental USA (yes, people, this is about as close to a real world stage as there can be) that in the United States of America, we are not one people, at all, so when Hillary Clinton, who was the subject just today of an Associated Press story entitled “Hillary Clinton says she’s ‘ready to come out of the woods'” by MICHAEL RUBINKAM on 18 March 2017 wherein we were told, “Hillary Clinton said Friday she’s ‘ready to come out of the woods’ and help Americans find common ground,” a concept that is actually quite laughable given all the insults Hillary has only recently heaped, indiscriminately, on so many of us for the crime of not believing in her as our MESSIAH or chosen leader, our MAHDI, perhaps, or Taiping, and not drinking her poisonous brand of KOOL-AID, says “that’s not who we are,” Hillary is only speaking for at most 65,844,954 people in America, or 20.647523988% of the population if we use the figure of 318.9 million measured in 2014.

And not only are we not one people, as Mike above here makes so clear, with only 20% being Hillary Clinton believers or acolytes, we are in fact, again as Mike makes so incandescently clear, and yes, God bless him for that valuable contribution to this important discussion which affects us all, regardless of race, color, creed, etc., including even down to what bathroom you identify with, a highly divided and fractured society, with Mike’s generation, whichever that one really is, millennial, or whatever, for I can’t keep them straight, wanting my generation to disappear off the face of the earth, and this religion can’t stand that religion, and the right wing can’t stand the left wing, and the left wing can’t stand the right wing, who they think have BO and bad manners and drink beer and go to NASCAR races and such, besides clinging to their Bibles and guns as everybody knows the right-wingers do, or at least the acolytes and disciples of Barack Hussein Obama do, anyway.

Yes, as both Mike and Ray Otton admit, and yes, I do, too, in my generation, there were and are those who are both narcissistic and sociopathic, where a narcissist is a person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves, and a sociopath is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

That cannot be denied, and in fact, more Americans to the tune of 65,844,954 people just a bit ago in November of 2016 voted for one of them than any other losing presidential candidate in US history, with that being Hillary Clinton.

And people, that brings us back to the Associated Press story entitled “Hillary Clinton says she’s ‘ready to come out of the woods'” by MICHAEL RUBINKAM, 18 MARCH 2017, where we were further informed as follows:

Clinton’s gradual return to the public spotlight following her presidential election loss continued with a St. Patrick’s Day speech in her late father’s Pennsylvania hometown of Scranton.

“I’m like a lot of my friends right now, I have a hard time watching the news,” Clinton told an Irish women’s group.

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As to who those friends are, we are enlightened as follows by an article about Hillary in New York’s venerable “Gray Lady,” the New York Times by Amy Chozick and Jonathan Martin on 3 SEPTEMBER 2016, as follows:

At a private fund-raiser Tuesday night at a waterfront Hamptons estate, Hillary Clinton danced alongside Jimmy Buffett, Jon Bon Jovi and Paul McCartney, and joined in a singalong finale to “Hey Jude.”

In the last two weeks of August, Mrs. Clinton raked in roughly $50 million at 22 fund-raising events, averaging around $150,000 an hour, according to a New York Times tally.

“It’s the old adage, you go to where the money is,” said Jay S. Jacobs, a prominent New York Democrat.

Mrs. Clinton raised about $143 million in August, the campaign’s best month yet.

At a single event on Tuesday in Sagaponack, N.Y., 10 people paid at least $250,000 to meet her, raising $2.5 million.

If she feels most at ease around millionaires, within the gilded bubble, it is in part because they are some of her most intimate friends.

When financiers complain about the regulations implemented by the Dodd-Frank financial overhaul, Mrs. Clinton reaffirms her support for strong Wall Street regulation, but adds that she is open to listening to anyone’s ideas and at times notes that she represented the banking industry as a senator.

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She represented the banking industry when she was U.S. senator from New York, people, not the common people like myself in the state, as my own experience with her as an engineer can attest to, so when Hillary uses the word, “we,” those are the people she is referring to, while at the same time, disincluding the majority of people in America, who are either something for Hillary to exploit, or something to accuse and berate and belittle and insult.

The Associated Press article then continues as follows:

“I do not believe that we can let political divides harden into personal divides.”

“And we can’t just ignore, or turn a cold shoulder to someone because they disagree with us politically,” she said.

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HUH?

Do tell, Hillary, after only recently denouncing a majority of the American people who you obviously did not like from the tone of your voice as a “basket of deplorables,” while accusing every white person in this country of being a racist because of some alleged genetic disorder Hillary invented to justify her calling us racists with that blanket smear of hers.

Getting back to the Associated Press:

Friday night’s speech was one of several she is to deliver in the coming months, including a May 26 commencement address at her alma mater, Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

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And that mention of Wellesley College brings us back in time to the beginning, the Alpha moment, perhaps, of the serious political divide that exists in America today which divide has been fueled in some large part by what I as a grandfather consider to be the hate-filled political rhetoric of Hillary Rodham Clinton, which rhetoric in turn perhaps has affected our Mike above and his outlook on life concerning old people in America like me that Mike has no use for, and wishes gone.

That Alpha moment for Hillary and her followers, which began with Hillary insulting a black U.S. Senator from Massachusetts for being pusillanimous with respect to race issues and which immediately fueled her meteoric rise to national stardom occurred on May 31, 1969, as we were told in the Washington Post story “Hillary Clinton's breakout moment at Wellesley College” by Frances Stead Sellers and Marilyn W. Thompson on August 14, 2016, where we were told Hillary became a national symbol of student activism and a provocative voice speaking for her angry generation.

There begins the divide, people, that we are experiencing in the United States of America today, with Hillary Clinton becoming a national symbol of student activism and a provocative voice speaking for her angry generation, which again, was not all of us here in the United States of America, at that time, or this time, either.

The divide I talk about can readily be seen in this following excerpted from a Marketwatch article on politics on Feb. 11, 2016, to wit:

Bernie Sanders believes he can do a better job at leadership than President Barack Obama, a statement that drew a quick rebuke from Hillary Clinton’s campaign as she and the Vermont senator ramp up their brawl in the Democratic presidential primary.

Sanders’ words landed like a bomb in Clinton-land, where a spokesman for Obama’s former secretary of state said lecturing the president on leadership was “absurd.”

A South Carolina organizer for Clinton said he’d “had about enough of” the self-labelled democratic socialist doubting Obama’s leadership.

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My goodness, people, here in America, according to the campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who tells us that she is now ready to come out of the woods and help Americans find common ground, it is impermissible to doubt the leadership of Barack Hussein Obama, despite the fact that so many people in America, starting with Bernie Sanders, in fact did doubt, and with good cause

What common ground, Hillary, is there in that, and where does Mike’s viewpoint above about old people in America fit into that common ground?

How do you reconcile that, Hillary?

But let’s get back to Wellesley College and the Alpha moment which was Hillary D. Rodham’s 1969 Student Commencement Speech where Ruth M. Adams, ninth president of Wellesley College, introduced Hillary D. Rodham ’69, at the 91st commencement exercises as follows.

She is also cheerful, good humored, good company, and a good friend to all of us and it is a great pleasure to present to this audience Miss Hillary Rodham.

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Shortly after that introduction, according to the Washington Post story “Hillary Clinton's breakout moment at Wellesley College” by Frances Stead Sellers and Marilyn W. Thompson on August 14, 2016, Ruth M. Adams, ninth president of Wellesley College, was going to be eating those words and was going to be apologizing to Senator Brooke for Hillary’s rude behavior, to wit:

With the national media closely following campus upheaval that spring, Clinton stole the spotlight by rebuking a Washington symbol she had helped elect.

She undercut Wellesley’s president, once her ally in tamping down campus unrest.

Clinton’s remarks transformed her, virtually overnight, into a national symbol of student activism.

Wire services blasted out her remarks, and Life magazine featured a photo of her, dressed in bold striped bell-bottoms.

Clinton’s speech was an early illustration of political instinct, the ability to sense the moment for a strategic strike.

Her performance surprised everyone, even her close friends.

“We’re not interested in social reconstruction,” she corrected the speaker, Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts.

“It’s human reconstruction.”

Her impromptu attack was over in a flash, and Wellesley President Ruth Adams set out to repair the damage.

Adams fired off a letter to Brooke, then the nation’s ­highest-ranking black elected official, apologizing for Clinton’s intemperate remarks.

“Courtesy is not one of the stronger virtues of the young,” she wrote Brooke on June 5, 1969, in a letter The Washington Post recently discovered in his archived papers.

“Scoring debater’s points seems, on occasion, to have higher standing.”

How do we harness such “youthful passion,” Adams asked, “without destroying the basic fabric of our democratic society?”

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Courtesy is not one of the stronger virtues of the young, people, when that particular young one was our very own adored and revered Hillary Clinton who is coming out of the woods to unite us a nation, by force, if necessary.

And more to the point, in the light of Mike’s post above about old people in this country, how is the question posed in that last sentence above resolved?

How do we harness such “youthful passion” as Mike has without destroying the basic fabric of our democratic society?

Or has that fabric become so rent and torn that it is now for all practical purposes destroyed?

Getting back to Hillary’s famous speech:

To be educated to freedom must be evidenced in action, and here again is where we ask ourselves, as we have asked our parents and our teachers, questions about integrity, trust, and respect.

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Ah, yes, people, three important questions, especially in the light of another Associated Press article out today entitled “Young Americans: Most see Trump as illegitimate president” by Laurie Kellman and Emily Swanson, 18 March 2017, where we are informed as follows on the same day we are told Hillary is coming out of the woods where she was spotted taking a walk in the woods around her hometown of Chappaqua, New York, two days after losing the election to Donald Trump, and where she quipped she had wanted to stay in the woods, “but you can only do so much of that,” to wit:

A majority of young adults — 57 percent — see Trump’s presidency as illegitimate, including about three-quarters of blacks and large majorities of Latinos and Asians, the GenForward poll found.

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That, people, is a very telling statement about young people in America today.

Getting back to the important meat of Hillary’s 1969 commencement speech with regard to integrity, trust, and respect:

Those three words mean different things to all of us.

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And indeed they do, people, which is why we seem to have so many problems believing in what is supposed to pass for government in this country today.

Getting back to Hillary:

Some of the things they can mean, for instance: Integrity, the courage to be whole, to try to mold an entire person in this particular context, living in relation to one another in the full poetry of existence.

If the only tool we have ultimately to use is our lives, so we use it in the way we can by choosing a way to live that will demonstrate the way we feel and the way we know.

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Hmmmmm.

Getting back to Hillary, and who it is that she is speaking for when she uses the word “we”:

Trust.

This is one word that when I asked the class at our rehearsal what it was they wanted me to say for them, everyone came up to me and said “Talk about trust, talk about the lack of trust both for us and the way we feel about others.”

“Talk about the trust bust.”

What can you say about it?

What can you say about a feeling that permeates a generation and that perhaps is not even understood by those who are distrusted?

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The “trust bust,” people, how well I remember those words from back then, a “trust bust” in the case of Hillary, who is one of those distrusted, but who may not understand it, that must be considered in the light of MARKETWATCH article by Caroline Baum on Aug. 3, 2016, as follows:

Hillary Clinton has a long history of lying.

In fact, her first instinct, when confronted with some tawdry, quasi-illegal activity, is to dissemble.

In 1996, New York Times columnist William Safire called her “a congenital liar,” citing her comments about her cattle-trading windfall, her involvement in the firing of members of the White House Travel Office, and the missing Rose Law Firm files that miraculously reappeared.

Most recently, Clinton’s denials about sending classified information on her private email account housed on her private server were exposed as falsehoods by FBI Director James Comey.

Asked by Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday” about Comey’s comments, the former secretary of state lied again, claiming Comey had called her statements “truthful.”

The Washington Post’s FactChecker awarded Clinton four Pinocchios, a rating reserved for the biggest whoppers, prompting the Atlantic’s Ron Fournier to write an article headlined, “Why Can’t Hillary Clinton Stop Lying?”

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A “trust bust,” indeed!

Sooooo.

Where, oh where, people, does this elusive “common ground” of Hillary Clinton really lie, not intending to use a pun there?

How much of our own integrity do we have to get rid of and shun in order to have common ground with Hillary Clinton?

And once again getting back to Hillary:

And then respect.

There’s that mutuality of respect between people where you don’t see people as percentage points.

Where you don’t manipulate people.

Where you’re not interested in social engineering for people.

The struggle for an integrated life existing in an atmosphere of communal trust and respect is one with desperately important political and social consequences.

And the word consequences of course catapults us into the future.

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And you know what, people?

That future is now, right now as you read these words?

So where is it that we really are, people?

Where did that future bring us to?

And for that answer, see Mike above.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 20, 2017 AT 3:59 PM

Chas Cornweller says:

Mike,

As much as I hate to admit it, you are on to something.

In fact, if you haven’t read it, I highly recommend it. The book I am talking about is called A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America.

It is written by Bruce Cannon Gibney.

And this coming from someone born in the late nineteen fifties.

I totally get that the foundations of this country are shaken to their very core.

The environment is on the precipice of crisis.

The economic is shattered and every program in place to ensure a safety net for those of retirement years and living in poverty will not be there in ten years.

I get that this nation screwed up.

But, try to believe me when I say, there were those of us out there fighting and demanding changes for the better.

During the Carter administration, President Carter gave what has now been termed as the “Malaise” Speech.

Trust me when I say this, had we listened (as a nation) this country would be in far different place and I believe a better place than we are today.

However, it was not our generation (the boomers) who criticized it, politicized it, ridiculed and ultimately shunted it aside.

It was that generation of our fathers (your grandfather?) who took Jimmy Carter’s words and turned it against him.

Why?

Because they believed it painted a weak and selfish America.

Sound familiar?

We boomers who were too numb to care, too stoned to think it mattered and basically could give a rat’s ass chalked it up to politics.

The rest of those boomers (who agreed with the elders and condemned the speech as well) were too busy grabbing for the brass ring and voted Ronald Reagan into the White House in nineteen eighty.

That was our Waterloo.

The Boomer Generation could have been the greatest generation on several fronts.

The war in Vietnam.

They (your grandfather’s generation lead by your father’s generation) killed four students at a National College to prove their point.

We failed, then and there.

The second opportunity came in the late seventies when Jimmy Carter came to power.

Backed by a large progressive movement coupled with a sanction from the Christian Right, great things were going to take place in Washington, D.C.

Except they didn’t.

Complacency from the general public and a steady push back from the Washington elites did much to curtail any great movement forward from the Carter administration.

They (Washington Insiders, Big Business and the Conservative movement) won the day, and Ronnie was in.

Thus, the slow drip, drip, drip of corruption, defense build-up, dismantling of any and all social programs to protect the less fortunate (i.e. the poor).

By the time the Clintons made it to the White House the fix was in.

The boomers were not only complacent, but complicit in the sharing of the tearing down of the order.

We had seen it all.

From the time, they killed a president to the time they held one hostage by his own transgressions.

We didn’t care anymore.

You see, it in a way you are correct,

Sociopaths have been running this country for the last fifty-five years.

But fifty-five years ago, the average age of a baby boomer was fifteen.

Too young vote, they only had the voice of protest.

Kind of like you, now, except I assume you are old enough to vote.

I suggest you use it.

Vote your conscience.

Write your representatives.

All of them.

And don’t stop writing.

I will do the same.

And I do!

You see, Mike, I was one of the few who heard Jimmy Carter’s “Malaise” Speech that night and believed it for what it truly was.

Google it and read it sometime.

You’ll see.

And then you’ll realize, as I did then, that was the time when politics cut the heart out of America.

p.s. Get the book as well.

It’s right up your alley!

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 20, 2017 AT 9:00 PM

Paul Plante says:

Barack Hussein Obama Magnus, Mike, where “magnus” means “the great” in Latin.

He’s the dude who was quoted in a REUTERS article on Monday, Oct. 26, 2009, as follows:

President Barack Obama had a message for his political friends and foes on Monday — “just because I’m skinny doesn’t mean I’m not tough.”

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False bravado, Mike, to hide a lack of self-esteem deriving from having wasted his youth snorting coke and smoking dope when most young Americans were applying themselves and preparing themselves to be productive citizens?

And that is the same Barack Obama who was quoted by Ben Wolfgang in The Washington Times on Monday, September 28, 2015 as follows:

“I lead the strongest military the world has ever known.

“I will never hesitate to protect my country and our allies unilaterally and by force when necessary.”

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Is that bombast, Mike?

Is that jingoism on the hoof?

Is that what being belligerent and bellicose is all about?

And as to your claim above that it has been my narcissistic and sociopathic generation that took the great gains in science (think moon landing), social and economic equality (civil rights), civic mindedness (investing in education and infrastructure), even environmental protection (think Nixon and the clean air/water acts) all from the generation before my generation and then squandered it to leave you and your generation in the worst place possible where your generation will not ever retire, will not have affordable health care, will not have affordable housing, and will be left with looming environmental and world wide political disasters, it is that same Barack Hussein Obama magnus who was the subject of a story by Mark Hosenball of Reuters on 2 August 2012, as follows:

President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing U.S. support for rebels seeking to depose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his government, sources familiar with the matter said.

Obama’s order, approved earlier this year and known as an intelligence “finding,” broadly permits the CIA and other U.S. agencies to provide support that could help the rebels oust Assad.

Precisely when Obama signed the secret intelligence authorization, an action not previously reported, could not be determined.

The full extent of clandestine support that agencies like the CIA might be providing also is unclear.

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And in an Associated Press article on 15 September 2012, as follows:

Most of the CIA’s clandestine and paramilitary team that had worked with Libyan rebels to bring about the fall of Gadhafi is now arrayed at the Syrian border, working with rebels there to try to hasten the fall of Syrian president Bashar Assad, the officials said.

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And in an article by Scott Peterson in the Christian Science Monitor on 2 November 2012, as follows:

“We hoped the American government would help us in our revolution, because it fights for the democratic flag in the world – and toppled Saddam Hussein in the name of democracy,” says a Syrian judge who runs a temporary court in a rebel-controlled district of Aleppo.

“But Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton did nothing.”

“America failed us,” says the secular Syrian, whose tailored suit and pressed shirt contrasted sharply with the motley collection of rebels who man the frontline a few streets away.

Abu Baraa says the US “doesn’t care how many Syrians die – for them we are like bugs.”

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With respect to your generation being left with looming world wide political disasters, Mike, there is the genesis of one of the biggest world wide political disasters your generation and my grandchildren’s generation are inheriting, and it was one of your generation who caused it, Mike, along with Hillary Rodham Clinton, his Cleopatra.

As to your comment that I am fixated on regurgitating all kinds of junk about Clinton and she will not run again, you obviously don’t follow the news, do you.

In a recent Associated Press article by Laurie Kellman and Emily Swanson on 18 March 2018, we were informed as follows:

Trump’s legitimacy as president was questioned earlier this year by U.S. Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga.: “I think the Russians participated in helping this man get elected.”

“And they helped destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton.”

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Which is BULL****, don’t you think, Mike, being the bright kind of guy that you are?

Trump was elected by the electoral college, was he not?

So for that charge by the Hillary-ites to stick, they and Hillary, who is far from gone on the political scene, would have to prove that the Russians somehow influenced (read coerced, intimidated or bought) members of the electoral college, and where is the evidence of that, Mike?

When will that evidence be forthcoming?

More to the point, on 18 March 2017, the Associated Press ran an article by Michael Rubinkam entitled “Hillary Clinton says she’s ‘ready to come out of the woods'” wherein was stated:

SCRANTON, Pa. — Hillary Clinton said Friday she’s “ready to come out of the woods” and help Americans find common ground.

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Now, get serious here for a moment if you will, Mike, how would that be possible that Hillary Clinton, who just got done dividing us with her recent campaign rhetoric can now help Americans find any kind of common ground at all, outside of our revulsion for Hillary Clinton, who ran with the highest unfavorable rating of any American presidential contender in history outside of Trump?

If I thought Hillary Clinton was really gone, Mike, believe me, I would be very happy to never think of her again.

But she isn’t, Mike.

To the contrary, she is out there agitating trouble, urging people to resist the government, which smacks of sedition to me, Mike.

How does it strike you?

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MARCH 22, 2017 AT 11:06 AM

Paul Plante says:

And to bring this to a sort of close, anyway, since this is the beginning of something, not the end of anything, poor Hillary Clinton, people, and I mean that sincerely.

As Mike says above, God bless her for trying, and I won’t dispute that.

But more importantly, for both Hillary and the nation and its future, again as Mike so wisely states, she is crazy to not enjoy her twilight years in peace, which brings us to an article in THE HILL entitled “Trump and Clinton just can’t quit each other” by Amie Parnes on 18 March 2017, where we have as follows:

It’s 2016 all over again.

Donald Trump is bashing Hillary Clinton.

Crowds are screaming “Lock her up!” at Trump rallies.

And Clinton is trolling Trump on Twitter.

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Really, people, how childish all the way around, and especially for Hillary, who has now reduced herself to the status of a TWITTER TROLL, which is about as low a political status as there can be, given the 140-character limit imposed by TWITTER on its TWEETERS like Hillary.

As THE HILL tells us:

More than 129 days after the curtains closed on the 2016 election, the bitter rivalry between the pair shows no signs of ending.

“They can’t let it go,” said Jeffrey Lord, a Trump surrogate who logged hundreds of hours on CNN during the 2016 election cycle analyzing the pithy back-and-forth between the two candidates.

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It reminds one of the famous feud between Ptolemy XIII Theos Philopator and his sister Cleopatra VII Philopator and the Siege of Alexandria back in 47 BC, doesn’t it?

Getting back to THE HILL:

When the race finally ended in the wee hours of Nov. 9, Lord said, he knew he hadn’t seen the end of it.

“The Clintons, both of them are these political machines.”

“This is what they do,” Lord said.

“When she didn’t win the first time, she ran a second time and now the engine is still running.”

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The engine is still running, people, but the question is – is the engine now running amuck?

Is Hillary spinning out of control here with her TWEET STORMS against Trump?

Getting back to Cleopatra for a moment, when Ptolemy XII of Egypt died in 51 BC, he left his children, Ptolemy and Cleopatra, as joint rulers of Egypt, but Ptolemy soon dethroned Cleopatra and forced her to flee from Alexandria.

In our modern version of the passion play, Trump has dethroned Hillary and forced her to flee Washington to the seclusion and sanctuary of a patch of woods in Chappaqua, New York, where poor Hillary, who seems to be rapidly losing it, was seen wandering aimlessly in the days after her loss to Trump in this most recent presidential election.

Getting back to THE HILL:

A month after the election ended, tension spilled out at an event at Harvard University’s Institute of Politics, where both Clinton and Trump aides went after each other.

“If providing a platform for white supremacists makes me a brilliant tactician, I am proud to have lost,” Jennifer Palmieri, the Clinton campaign’s communications director, told Trump aides, including campaign manager Kellyanne Conway.

“I would rather lose than win the way you guys did.”

“Guys, I can tell you are angry, but wow,” Conway said at one point.

“Hashtag he’s your president.”

“How’s that?”

“Will you ever accept the election results?”

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And that answer is clearly no, they can’t, and they won’t, just as Cleopatra would not and did not accept being run out of town by her brother.

And back to THE HILL:

The sparring erupted again this week.

On Friday, Clinton re-tweeted her longtime senior adviser Philippe Reines, who took to Twitter to write: “Russians spy.”

“Healthcare is complicated.”

“Diplomacy is exhausting.”

“Who Knew?”

Clinton added her own quip, chiming in with: “Things I learned today.”

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Now, really, Hillary, is that the best you can do anymore, you who were a world-class orator back in 1969, with your famous Wellesley commencement address where you so famously told the nation, “now we can talk about reality, and I would like to talk about reality sometime, authentic reality, inauthentic reality, and what we have to accept of what we see—but our perception of it is that it hovers often between the possibility of disaster and the potentiality for imaginatively responding to men’s needs.”

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Where is the discussion of authentic reality versus inauthentic reality now?

According to THE HILL, Hillary no longer takes us to those intellectual heights with her rhetoric, which has been reduced to TWEETS on TWITTER as follows:

At the same time, Clinton, who has spent the past few months trying to figure out how it all went wrong, has been keeping the pressure on Trump – mostly on Twitter.

“With threats & hate crimes on rise, we shouldn’t have to tell @POTUS to do his part.”

“He must step up & speak out,” she wrote on the social media site late last month.

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Why, Hillary, are these threats and hate crimes on the rise?

Why don’t you tell us, instead of pointing at Trump?

And back to THE HILL:

Clinton has told allies that she plans to continue to hold the president accountable and will find ways of doing so in her future endeavors.

Political consultants expect the back and forth to continue long into the Trump presidency.

“The permanent campaign has reached a new level of intensity and relentlessness in the age of Trump,” said Matt Mackowiak, a Republican consultant.

“Democrats have worked more urgently to undermine his presidency than at any time in modern history,” Mackowiak continued, adding that Trump “has also had some trouble moving beyond the election.”

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So there we are, people – nothing has ended, just a new chapter in the history of the United States of America has begun.

Ah, the road not taken – I wonder where it might have taken us, but alas.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MAY 2, 2019 AT 5:17 PM

Paul Plante says:

I truly find myself perpetually amazed as I wander through all the halls and aisles that form the archives of the venerable Cape Charles Mirror, where one finds a literal cornucopia of contemporary American history from the period just before the 2016 presidential election up to the present time, and that would have to include this thread which starts on 26 February 2017, some three-and-a-half months after Hillary Clinton lost the presidential race to Donald Trump, which loss has led in an unbroken line to the present time, where we still have Hillary bleating about how unfair to her it all was that she lost, since it was her turn to be president, and Trump threw elbows and cut the line to get ahead of her, by looming behind her at one of the debates (whew, yes, I know it is rambling and convoluted, but we are talking Hillary here, so please bear with me), where we had by way of contemporary American history as follows:

My goodness, people, if you are into drama that makes the TV drama “Game of Thrones” seem pedestrian by comparison, and hey, let us face, people, we’re all adults, afterall, we all are, what a time it is to be alive!

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And my goodness, people, think how much more true that is today!

Getting back to operative reality as it was in America on 26 February 2017, we have this snapshot of that time, which no longer is, as follows:

These times we are in right now, with earth-shaking events occurring pretty much 24/7 now with the cable news cycle, make the 60s look positively dull and boring by comparison, and so they should when you think about it, since that was in a whole different century, before RAP and HIP-HOP, when all there was, was the Beach Boys and Jan and Dean and Linda Ronstadt and surf’s up and the little old ladies of Pasadena ripping around all over town in Dodge Hemi-Chargers and all that kind of stuff that was popular back then, because, let’s face it again, people just did not know any better.

It took Duane Eddy and his rocking guitar to break us out of our funk back then and now, wow, the future is here, and what never-ending drama it has brought us.

People out in what used to be sunny California are getting drenched with sewage-laden floodwaters, which is pretty icky, when you think about it.

Texas, meanwhile, is getting overrun with feral hogs according to the CBS NEWS article “Fearing “feral hog apocalypse,” Texas approves drastic measures” on 22 February 2017 where Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller announced the “feral hog apocalypse” in Texas where an estimated 2.5 million feral hogs in Texas are doing untold damage to suburban yards, God forbid with the cost of good landscaping and lawn maintenance services in America today.

Meanwhile, Chicago is plagued by some kind of bugs in their subway system, and hang on to your hats, folks, for “Flip or Flop” reality TV star Christina El Moussa is back on the market, having split with contractor Gary Anderson, her boyfriend of several months.

And then reappearing after a long absence, Lindsey Lohan has found religion and as a consequence was mistaken in an English airport for a Muslim terrorist because she was wearing a headscarf and had just been in Turkey where she just had had an audience with Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

And SNOOKY of “Jersey Shore” fame has gone completely off the radar and seems to be nowhere to be found.

And how about that Mariah Carey, people!

If you can believe it, she is still bitter about the way her 2017 kicked off with that disastrous New Year’s Eve performance in Times Square and as a result, according to cable news, she’s already parted ways with her longtime creative director, dancer and tour choreographer Anthony Burrell over the live disaster, and now the diva is blaming “everybody” from the production crew to the backup dancers in a new interview with Rolling Stone.

“It’s just something where if I can’t explain it to the entire world, then they’re not going to understand it, because it’s not what they do,” Carey said, “Just like I wouldn’t understand somebody who had a desk job and how to do that.”

“I couldn’t.”

“I literally am incapable of being in the real world and surviving.”

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And if that is not enough drama for you, people, we have America’s most favorite politician Hillary Rodham Clinton ✔ ‎@HillaryClinton, TWEETING her little heart out, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the…Congress,” at 3:54 PM on 22 Feb. 2017 while taunting Republicans on Twitter Wednesday for dodging town hall events amid the growing protests from liberal activists infuriated by President Trump’s agenda, according to an article in THE HILL entitled “Clinton taunts GOP lawmakers for dodging town halls” by Jonathan Easley on 22 February 2017 where we were informed as follows:

The former Democratic presidential nominee, who has kept a low profile since losing to Trump in the November election, linked to an editorial in the Kansas City Star called, “Cowardly members of Congress should show up and face the public at town hall meetings.”

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WAHOO, people, talk about tough talk, alright, that is showing them Republicans something, alright!

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Looking back now from this latest vantage point, we can see that in reality, Hillary Clinton was hardly washed up and finished as a POLITICAL TOUR DE FORCE in this country as many of the pundits were saying; to the contrary, and we are seeing this today, some two years and a handful of months later, Hillary was only just beginning the long road to victory over Trump to get her revenge, because to Hillary, like Keyser Söze, revenge is everything – no slight is too small to be overlooked, and Trump’s sin too grave to be forgotten, which actually takes us back to the heart of the matter, which is what has this thread coming back to life after the passage of those intervening years while we waited for Hillary to further declare herself, as follows:

And that is after being quoted in an earlier article in THE HILL entitled “Clinton: ‘This is not who we are’” by Brooke Seipel on 29 January 2017, where we were told as follows:

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on Saturday tweeted in support of numerous protests that sprang up Saturday over President Trump’s executive order banning many refugees and others from predominantly Muslim nations.

“I stand with the people gathered across the country tonight defending our values & our Constitution.”

“This is not who we are,” Clinton tweeted.

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And that brings us to the title of this thread above – if that is not who we are, and I am not even sure at this point as to exactly which “that” we are even talking about, then who are we instead?

And that pertinent existential question brings us forward in time a bit to 22 March 22, 2017, where the above thread went dormant, as follows:

And to bring this to a sort of close, anyway, since this is the beginning of something, not the end of anything, poor Hillary Clinton, people, and I mean that sincerely.

As Mike says above, God bless her for trying, and I won’t dispute that.

But more importantly, for both Hillary and the nation and its future, again as Mike so wisely states, she is crazy to not enjoy her twilight years in peace, which brings us to an article in THE HILL entitled “Trump and Clinton just can’t quit each other” by Amie Parnes on 18 March 2017, where we have as follows:

It’s 2016 all over again.

Donald Trump is bashing Hillary Clinton.

Crowds are screaming “Lock her up!” at Trump rallies.

And Clinton is trolling Trump on Twitter.

end quotes

Really, people, how childish all the way around, and especially for Hillary, who has now reduced herself to the status of a TWITTER TROLL, which is about as low a political status as there can be, given the 140-character limit imposed by TWITTER on its TWEETERS like Hillary.

As THE HILL tells us:

More than 129 days after the curtains closed on the 2016 election, the bitter rivalry between the pair shows no signs of ending.

“They can’t let it go,” said Jeffrey Lord, a Trump surrogate who logged hundreds of hours on CNN during the 2016 election cycle analyzing the pithy back-and-forth between the two candidates.

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It still reminds one of the famous feud between Ptolemy XIII Theos Philopator and his sister Cleopatra VII Philopator and the Siege of Alexandria back in 47 BC, does it not?

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR MAY 4, 2019 AT 12:04 PM

Paul Plante says:

And to connect past, present and future in here in a way that you will not see in the Washington Post, which makes the narrative up as it goes, regardless of reality, let us drop back in time about two years to 2 March 2017 above here, to this set of relevant existential questions posed to QUEEN OF AMERICA Hillary Clinton, as follows:

This thread asks the question of why is Hillary Clinton then spinning an alternative version of American history now that she has emerged once again from wherever it was that she was hiding in seclusion after her stunning loss to Donald Trump as American president.

On that note, I will end with these following two definitions which seem very relevant to our times, and the role Hillary Clinton has chosen to play in sowing the seeds of disruption and dissension in this country with her divisive rhetoric:

SEDITION: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state.

SUBVERSION: the undermining of the power and authority of an established system or institution.

Hillary, what game is it that you are at here?

The candid world would truly like to know!

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And those questions in turn were spurred by a quote from Hillary in THE HILL in the article “Hillary Clinton rallies DNC members in video message” by Max Greenwood on 25 February 2017, as follows:

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on Friday showered praise on the wave of protests sweeping the country and urged party faithful to set their sights on elections to come.

“We as Democrats must move forward with courage, confidence and optimism, and stay focused on the elections we must win this year and next,” she said.

“Let resistance plus persistence equal progress for our party and our country.”

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That was in February of 2017, and a bit over two years later, in May of 2019, that resistance by the DEMOCRAT PARTY has brought the functioning of our national government to a screeching halt, to our detriment as a people and as a nation, which brings us to this which motivates Hillary and the DEMOCRATS today, to wit:

“Let resistance plus persistence equal progress for our party and our country.”

Now, people, there is a sound bite, alright, and how radical that sounds, as if it were taken from the “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky, who was the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis in 1969, while a senior at Wellesley College in Massachusetts.

Alinsky states as follows:

“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists.”

“From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

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The future is now, people, and to the Democrats, the political paradise of communism is now just over the horizon.

So, another relevant existential question, to wit: Which side will you be on?

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