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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 15, 2019 at 9:20 pm

Paul Plante says :

I do not support either the Democrats nor the Republicans, and Sorin, you cannot expect us to support a government policy being put forth by the Democrats that is based on fraud, lies and deception as is the case with this “Green New Deal” which is the underlying basis of all these plans being put forth by Lizzie Warren and barmy Bernie Sanders, etc.

Where that all is now is captured in a New York Times story entitled “Climate Town Hall: Several Democratic Candidates Embrace a Carbon Tax” by Coral Davenport and Trip Gabriel on 5 September 2019, as follows:

WASHINGTON — Democratic candidates promised unprecedented new action on climate change on Wednesday night in the first prime-time televised forum devoted to the issue in a presidential campaign, vowing to undo the Trump administration’s environmental policies, spend trillions of dollars to promote renewable energy and force companies to pay new taxes or fees.

In perhaps the most significant development of the night, more than half of the 10 candidates at the forum openly embraced the controversial idea of putting a tax or fee on carbon dioxide pollution, the one policy that most environmental economists agree is the most effective way to cut emissions — but also one that has drawn intense political opposition.

While the candidates appeared in back-to-back interviews, it was a former presidential hopeful, Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington, who dominated the event in an unusual way.

He made climate change the singular focus of his campaign before dropping out of the race last month, only to see several of the current candidates echo his ambitious proposals in their climate plans and at Wednesday’s forum on CNN.

“You may remember Gov. Jay Inslee said, ‘Let’s get tough on this,’” said Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, as she laid out a new plan that she said had been influenced by her former rival.

In addition to proposing $3 trillion in spending on environmental initiatives, Ms. Warren also responded “Yes!” when asked by a moderator, Chris Cuomo, if she would support a carbon tax — a measure she had not spelled out in her official policy proposal.

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who has not explicitly taken up Mr. Inslee’s ideas, said, “We are proposing the largest, most comprehensive program ever presented by any candidate in the history of the United States.”

Mr. Sanders has sought to win over the liberal wing of the Democratic Party with a plan that takes its name from the Green New Deal and has the biggest price tag of all the candidates’ proposals — $16.3 trillion over 15 years.

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All of that, Sorin, is based on a lie.

Why are you so accepting about that?

In support of my position, I present you with a technical paper from NASA entitled “Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change” on 11.17.08, wherein is stated as follows:

Water vapor is known to be Earth’s most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated.

Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

Andrew Dessler and colleagues from Texas A&M University in College Station confirmed that the heat-amplifying effect of water vapor is potent enough to double the climate warming caused by increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

With new observations, the scientists confirmed experimentally what existing climate models had anticipated theoretically.

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Now, again, we are talking about things we have known about for many years now, the role water vapor plays as a greenhouse gas, but water vapor does not sound so scary as carbon dioxide, which green plants need to live, and so we don’t have that part of the conversation, because it does not support the efforts of the Democrats to impose on us their Green New Deal, which is a power grab, plain and simple.

Getting back to the NASA paper:

The research team used novel data from the Atmospheric Infrared Sounder (AIRS) on NASA’s Aqua satellite to measure precisely the humidity throughout the lowest 10 miles of the atmosphere.

That information was combined with global observations of shifts in temperature, allowing researchers to build a comprehensive picture of the interplay between water vapor, carbon dioxide, and other atmosphere-warming gases.

The NASA-funded research was published recently in the American Geophysical Union’s Geophysical Research Letters.

“Everyone agrees that if you add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, then warming will result,” Dessler said.

“So the real question is, how much warming?”

The answer can be found by estimating the magnitude of water vapor feedback.

Increasing water vapor leads to warmer temperatures, which causes more water vapor to be absorbed into the air.

Warming and water absorption increase in a spiraling cycle.

Water vapor feedback can also amplify the warming effect of other greenhouse gases, such that the warming brought about by increased carbon dioxide allows more water vapor to enter the atmosphere.

“The difference in an atmosphere with a strong water vapor feedback and one with a weak feedback is enormous,” Dessler said.

Climate models have estimated the strength of water vapor feedback, but until now the record of water vapor data was not sophisticated enough to provide a comprehensive view of at how water vapor responds to changes in Earth’s surface temperature.

That’s because instruments on the ground and previous space-based could not measure water vapor at all altitudes in Earth’s troposphere — the layer of the atmosphere that extends from Earth’s surface to about 10 miles in altitude.

AIRS is the first instrument to distinguish differences in the amount of water vapor at all altitudes within the troposphere.

Using data from AIRS, the team observed how atmospheric water vapor reacted to shifts in surface temperatures between 2003 and 2008.

By determining how humidity changed with surface temperature, the team could compute the average global strength of the water vapor feedback.

“This new data set shows that as surface temperature increases, so does atmospheric humidity,” Dessler said.

“Dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere makes the atmosphere more humid.”

“And since water vapor is itself a greenhouse gas, the increase in humidity amplifies the warming from carbon dioxide.”

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Focus your attention on that last sentence, people, and really contemplate what it means in terms of what we are being told by the Democrats concerning the role carbon dioxide itself plays, which is a secondary role, not a primary role as the Democrats would have us believe, which takes us back to that paper, as follows:

“We now think the water vapor feedback is extraordinarily strong, capable of doubling the warming due to carbon dioxide alone.”

“This study confirms that what was predicted by the models is really happening in the atmosphere,” said Eric Fetzer, an atmospheric scientist who works with AIRS data at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

“Water vapor is the big player in the atmosphere as far as climate is concerned.”

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And for the record, in 1975, which is 44 years ago now, I had all the records of research I was doing into the amount of water vapor being put into the atmosphere by nuclear generating facility cooling towers confiscated and destroyed because the New York State Power Pool as it was then known did not want that research published, so they had it covered up, instead.

So to answer the question of whether or not “science” is political, of course it is.

And I am not going to endorse a federal government program that is based on fraud, deception and outright lies.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 16, 2019 at 6:25 pm

Paul Plante says :

It is absurd, Sorin Varzaru, at least from an engineering point of view employing thermodynamics and heat and mass transfer, if you have any of your own experts in those areas you want to bring into the conversation, to say that the heat energy produced by human activity has no impact whatsoever on the weather, and hence, the climate.

It is, however, far more absurd, and dangerously so, to insist, as these Democrats are doing, that humans can actually stop climate change, when climate change is a function of what the earth wants it to be, not the whims of 16-year old Greta Thunberg, who incidentally in my estimation as a grandfather and American citizen is the biggest fraud to be perpetrated on the public at large in the name of “science,” since the famous Piltdown Man hoax back in 1912, or AOC, for that matter, who is helping to perpetrate this fraud that is Greta Thunberg on us, in her own bid for considerable political power over our lives without our having a voice in the matter, which is tyranny.

As to the Piltdown Man, it was a paleoanthropological hoax in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human.

The inauthenticity of the hoax was described in 1953.

An extensive scientific review in 2016 established that amateur archaeologist Charles Dawson was its likely perpetrator.

In 1912, Charles Dawson claimed that he had discovered the “missing link” between ape and man.

In February 1912, Dawson contacted Arthur Smith Woodward, Keeper of Geology at the Natural History Museum, stating he had found a section of a human-like skull in Pleistocene gravel beds near Piltdown, East Sussex.

That summer, Dawson and Smith Woodward purportedly discovered more bones and artifacts at the site, which they connected to the same individual.

These finds included a jawbone, more skull fragments, a set of teeth, and primitive tools.

Smith Woodward reconstructed the skull fragments and hypothesised that they belonged to a human ancestor from 500,000 years ago.

The discovery was announced at a Geological Society meeting and was given the Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni (“Dawson’s dawn-man”).

The questionable significance of the assemblage remained the subject of considerable controversy until it was conclusively exposed in 1953 as a forgery.

It was found to have consisted of the altered mandible and some teeth of an orangutan deliberately combined with the cranium of a fully developed, though small-brained, modern human.

The Piltdown hoax is prominent for two reasons: the attention it generated around the subject of human evolution, and the length of time, 41 years, that elapsed from its alleged initial discovery to its definitive exposure as a composite forgery.

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And here we are once again, being confronted with an elaborate fraud, this one named Greta Thunberg, which fraud is being stage-managed by her father and PR dude, the famous Swedish actor Svante Thunberg, who is listed as a co-author of a book she wrote about herself entitled “Scenes from the Heart,” where we are informed that Greta has a “condition” that makes her far more intelligent than any of us churls or serfs out here spewing gobs of carbon dioxide into the air each day with our profligate lifestyle that Greta knows every American has, so that we should submit to her superior intelligence and do whatever it is she tells us to do.

Svante Thunberg, born 10 June 1969, the year I was in Viet Nam, father of Greta and manipulator of us, is a Swedish author, arts manager and producer, and actor, and he is the son of actors Olof Thunberg and Mona Andersson, so acting runs deep in that family as we can see in this YouTube video of Svante Thunberg smoothly spinning his web of lies to capture the minds of America’s youth, to twist them to his cause, which is promoting Greta as a serious financial asset:

Greta & Svante Thunberg – Straight Talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiD04TRwebQ

Personally, I think every parent and grandparent in America should watch that video with their children and grandchildren to see exactly what kind of mind poison they are being fed here in the name of “science,” which this is a mockery of.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 17, 2019 at 6:43 pm

Paul Plante says :

It is not just our energy sector, Mr. Otton – these fools, who spin out pie-in-the-sky “solutions” to something they have no control over, that being the continual change of climates that are a feature of life on earth, as opposed to the moon, Mars, or Venus, are talking about turning our very lives upside down if their cock-a-mamie plans were somehow to be imposed upon us by AOC and Elizabeth Warren and barmy Bernie Sanders, none of whom really have a clue as to what the ramifications are of what they are proposing, nor do they care, because they will have power, which is what it is all about for them – control.

I lived through the northeast blackout of 1965, which was a significant disruption in the supply of electricity on Tuesday, November 9, 1965, affecting parts of Ontario in Canada and Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and Vermont in the United States, and as far as we could tell from inside the affected zone, the world had come to an end.

Everything stopped.

Where there was formerly the light of cities and suburbs, there was now darkness.

I was going to get gas that evening, and was just about out when the power went out, so that was it for me.

Unless you are on top of a hill, and where you want to go is down, a car without gas is worthless.

Luckily, a friend lived near-by, so I was able to find a place to wait out whatever was happening, and since everything was off, nobody knew.

That is what these fools are proposing, except on a national scale, not just the northeast.

Getting back to the blackout of 1965, over 30 million people and 80,000 square miles (207,000 km2) were left without electricity for up to 13 hours.

And everything came to a halt, just like that.

So, what do AOC and Lizzie Warren and barmy Bernie Sanders propose to do when that happens again as a result of their Green New Deal or OFF Act?

Has anyone heard?

If so, could you please share it with us?

Thank you.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 18, 2019 at 10:01 am

Paul Plante says :

Discuss this subject over beers?

Been there and done that, Sorin, and I can guarantee you that that conversation, if it can be called that, goes nowhere fast, just as it usually does when discussed by people on the internet.

People on beer who don’t believe that the climate can change, or that the activities of humans can affect the weather, and hence climate, usually get pretty belligerent once they have a few beers in them, whereas the ones who think the world is going to come to an end get maudlin and start crying in their beer about all these poor children like Greta Thunberg who are having their futures stolen from them so we can all drive around with big pick-ups towing our boat behind us so all the neighbors can see how well off we are.

This is about the best I have seen, since no screaming has started yet in here, and you are doing a good job of being objective and considering what has been offered so far.

So, is this a true statement then:

We are no longer at the point of preventing [climate disaster] from happening entirely – we are now at the point of minimising the damage.

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And what is “climate disaster?”

Is that something that you could define, or find a definition of for us, because what the term is supposed to mean eludes me, who in over 70 years of life now, has been in some harsh environments, both hot and cold and wet.

As to “climate disasters, in 1886, an extremely severe winter wiped out over half of Teddy Roosevelt’s cattle herds out in the Dakotas, and after the disastrous winter of 1886–87, many of the cattle ranchers went out of business.

You would think with all those farting cows that AOC wants to ban, or equip with carbon-capture technology, that there would have been enough extra co2 in the air out there to keep it tropical.

And then, on the other side of the ledger, on May 31, 1889, we had the Great Johnstown Flood, which occurred after the catastrophic failure of the South Fork Dam, located on the south fork of the Little Conemaugh River in Pennsylvania, which was caused by excessive rainfall,

Were those climate disasters?

Or is that just the way it is for reasons the earth itself only knows?

And look at the dates there, Sorin, that cold winter and that excessive rainfall all happened within a few years of each other.

Why would carbon dioxide cause two such diverse events in such a short time period?

And in the early 1980’s, out in Wyoming, a bunch more cows were killed by the winter.

Again, with all those farting cows, why did that happen?

How could that have happened?

It goes against the physics, afterall, doesn’t it?

And then we had the Little Ice Age, which was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period.

The Little Ice Age has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the 16th to the 19th centuries, although some experts prefer an alternative timespan from about 1300 to about 1850.

So much for consensus, ain’t it?

As to this discussion on this climate disaster which is going to deprive Greta Thunberg of her future, which she wants guaranteed to her, as socialists do (with them, it is always the responsibility of someone to provide for them which is how that system works, breeding weakness in society as it goes), the NASA Earth Observatory notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, all separated by intervals of slight warming.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the Little Ice Age suggested largely independent regional climate changes rather than a globally synchronous increased glaciation.

At most, there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.

Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, variations in Earth’s orbit and axial tilt (orbital forcing), inherent variability in global climate, and decreases in the human population (for example from the Black Death and the colonization of the Americas).

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Inherent variability in global climate?

No, wait, get that out of there – it goes against AOC’s model of impending climate disaster!

SCREECH, SCREECH, SCREECH, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, run, run, run!

Can you imagine having this conversation over some beers, Sorin?

And thank you for the extension of that offer of the famous Virginia hospitality!

And thanks once again to the Cape Charles Mirror for making this discussion possible in the first place.

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 18, 2019 at 9:07 pm

Paul Plante says :

The so-called “smart grid,” which actually isn’t all that smart, wouldn’t prevent a black-out and doesn’t.

We have had power outages up this way all summer from weather-related events, and anyway, you took that one way over into the tules, because I wasn’t saying that the green new deal was going to cause black-outs.

What I was saying is that the great black-out is a preview of the carbon-free world the Democrats are going to force on us in their hysteria over supposed global warming due to carbon dioxide, which theory goes back to the 1820s and Jean-Baptiste Joseph Fourier (21 March 1768 – 16 May 1830), the French mathematician and physicist who is also generally credited with the discovery of the greenhouse effect.

In the 1820s Fourier calculated that an object the size of the Earth, and at its distance from the Sun, should be considerably colder than the planet actually is if warmed by only the effects of incoming solar radiation.

He examined various possible sources of the additional observed heat in articles published in 1824 and 1827.

While he ultimately suggested that interstellar radiation might be responsible for a large portion of the additional warmth, Fourier’s consideration of the possibility that the Earth’s atmosphere might act as an insulator of some kind is widely recognized as the first proposal of what is now known as the greenhouse effect, although Fourier never called it that.

So, if we are not hysterical like Greta Thunberg and AOC and the Democrats, we can see that originally, the so-called “greenhouse effect” due to carbon dioxide in the earth’s atmosphere was a good thing, not a bad thing, because it made life more livable for humans than it otherwise might have been, absent the greenhouse gases.

In the 1820s, Fourier concluded that gases in the atmosphere could form a stable barrier like the glass panes, and it was this conclusion may have contributed to the later use of the metaphor of the “greenhouse effect” to refer to the processes that determine atmospheric temperatures.

Except today, with constant satellite measurements, plus the science that Greta Thunberg, AOC and the Democrats ignore or discard, because it does not serve to make people scared like they need them to be, we know not only that carbon dioxide does not make a layer in our atmosphere like a pane, but that it is not well-mixed, either, which shoots that “pane of glass” theory being pushed by Greta, AOC, and the Democrats right in the ***.

And that takes us forward in time from Fourier to Svante August Arrhenius (19 February 1859 – 2 October 1927), a Swedish scientist who was originally a physicist, but often is referred to as a chemist, as he was one of the founders of the science of physical chemistry, a course I took in my training to become an engineer.

With respect to this discussion, Arrhenius was the first to use basic principles of physical chemistry to estimate the extent to which increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide are responsible for the Earth’s increasing surface temperature.

In developing a theory to explain the ice ages, Arrhenius, in 1896, was the first to use basic principles of physical chemistry to calculate estimates of the extent to which increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) will increase Earth’s surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.

Arrhenius wanted to determine whether greenhouse gases could contribute to the explanation of the temperature variation between glacial and inter-glacial periods.

In his calculation Arrhenius included the feedback from changes in water vapor as well as latitudinal effects, but he omitted clouds, convection of heat upward in the atmosphere, and other essential factors.

His work is currently seen less as an accurate quantification of global warming than as the first demonstration that increases in atmospheric CO2 will cause global warming, everything else being equal.

With respect to this hysterical bull*** we are being force-fed today by Greta, the little scared girl from Sweden, the manipulator AOC and the Democrats, circa 1906, Arrhenius wrote Världarnas utveckling (1906) directed at a general audience, where he suggested that the human emission of CO2 would be strong enough to prevent the world from entering a new ice age, and that a warmer earth would be needed to feed the rapidly increasing population:

“To a certain extent the temperature of the earth’s surface, as we shall presently see, is conditioned by the properties of the atmosphere surrounding it, and particularly by the permeability of the latter for the rays of heat.” (p46)

“That the atmospheric envelopes limit the heat losses from the planets had been suggested about 1800 by the great French physicist Fourier.”

“His ideas were further developed afterwards by Pouillet and Tyndall.”

“Their theory has been styled the hot-house theory, because they thought that the atmosphere acted after the manner of the glass panes of hot-houses.” (p51)

“Although the sea, by absorbing carbonic acid, acts as a regulator of huge capacity, which takes up about five-sixths of the produced carbonic acid, we yet recognize that the slight percentage of carbonic acid in the atmosphere may by the advances of industry be changed to a noticeable degree in the course of a few centuries.” (p54)

“Since, now, warm ages have alternated with glacial periods, even after man appeared on the earth, we have to ask ourselves: Is it probable that we shall in the coming geological ages be visited by a new ice period that will drive us from our temperate countries into the hotter climates of Africa?”

“There does not appear to be much ground for such an apprehension.”

“The enormous combustion of coal by our industrial establishments suffices to increase the percentage of carbon dioxide in the air to a perceptible degree.” (p61)

“We often hear lamentations that the coal stored up in the earth is wasted by the present generation without any thought of the future, and we are terrified by the awful destruction of life and property which has followed the volcanic eruptions of our days.”

“We may find a kind of consolation in the consideration that here, as in every other case, there is good mixed with the evil.”

“By the influence of the increasing percentage of carbonic acid in the atmosphere, we may hope to enjoy ages with more equable and better climates, especially as regards the colder regions of the earth, ages when the earth will bring forth much more abundant crops than at present, for the benefit of rapidly propagating mankind.” (p63)

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So WTF, Sorin?

Can the greenhouse effect be both a good thing and a bad thing at the same time?

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 19, 2019 at 6:07 pm

Paul Plante says :

And Sorin, let me sincerely say that I am quite sorry to hear that real climate science makes you “tired,” given that it is nothing more than high school science that we are discussing here, and to be sure, I just googled “high school science, teaching Arrhenius,” and sure enough, just as I remembered from like 57 years ago when I was taught the subject in high school, the “Arrhenius Equation” is still taught, as it should be, so that our American children are able to think for themselves about this subject of carbon dioxide and its role in life on earth, where carbon dioxide, as any child growing up in the countryside growing their own food knows, is essential to life in that everything we grow that is green requires carbon dioxide to breathe, or it doesn’t live, so that they are not misled by manipulators like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Svante Thunberg.

The following formulation of Arrhenius’s rule is still in use today, and when it comes to “science,” it is the only science that there is, to wit:

Δ F = α ln(C/C subscript 0)

where C subscript 0 is the concentration of CO2 at the beginning (time-zero) of the period being studied (if the same concentration unit is used for both C and C subscript 0, then it doesn’t matter which concentration unit is used); C is the CO2 concentration at end of the period being studied; ln is the natural logarithm (= log base e (log subscript e)); and Δ F is the augmentation of the temperature, in other words the change in the rate of heating Earth’s surface (radiative forcing), which is measured in joules of heat energy per second, per square meter — a joule per second is one watt.

That is the “science” that all these so-called “consensus scientists” are working with, and it has been known now for some 123 years, which brings us back to public policy that impacts the lives of all of us being based on fraud, lies, deceit and deception, much as was the case with the Tonkin Gulf Resolution back when, which was based on lies, deceit and deception by the Democrats.

And that brings us to these words from United States Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on 29 June 2019, to wit:

In the 1970s, ExxonMobil had internal science that not only definitively proved that climate change was real, but they themselves, the oil company, invested in modelling to see how bad it was going to be.

Some of their models were so sophisticated that, back in the 70s, they were predicting our weather patterns as far out as 2012 – and many of them were accurate.

They knew exactly what was happening.

So what they did, starting the year I was born, around 1989, was to start funding a lot of media and lobbying campaigns.

They knew they couldn’t fund campaigns outright saying climate change is not real.

But they could fund campaigns sowing confusion.

So they would run campaigns saying we need to see more science, to sow doubt around the consensus.

For a very long time it worked, and it got very bad.

We came very close to acting on the climate in 1989, but the lobbying was so powerful that they effectively prevented action – we had almost 40% of Republican voters not believing that climate change was settled fact.

But I think because of our advocacy and our movement, those numbers have been dropping precipitously in just the last few years.

And in the last year especially, with our push for a Green New Deal, connecting everything that is happening to climate change.

People who cover increasingly worse hurricanes as though they are accidents, or just things that happen – now, every time a storm comes, we talk about climate change.

The other piece of it is not just acknowledging that it’s real, but prioritising it as a top issue.

We just received some very encouraging numbers yesterday – a year or two years ago, only 20% of Democratic voters, the more liberal voters in the country, saw climate change as a top issue.

With our action, and the youth organising that’s going on now, it has surged.

We’ve seen in very early voting states, something like 70% of Democratic voters think that a Green New Deal should be a top issue, and that they would support candidates who support it, and not supporting it is a red flag for many voters.

I think we’re moving, but it takes this radical action to move it.

We have historically had an issue with media coverage of the climate crisis – I think they don’t realise that not covering it is just as bad as denying it.

We have issues because much of our media is profit-driven, and if it doesn’t drive ratings they will not cover it as much.

But we simply don’t have a choice.

We have to do this.

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SHRIEK, SHRIEK, SHRIEK!

What Exxon Mobil had back in the 1970s was the same Arrhenius Equation that ALL of us alive back then had, including high school children, but AOC, who was born on October 13, 1989, doesn’t know that because she never bothered to learn, or was never taught, or just plain did not give a ****, being into modern expressive dance as she was back then.

And that brings us to an article in the Scientific American entitled “Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago – A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation” by Shannon Hall on October 26, 2015, where we are provided the following mindless bull**** by this fraud of a magazine, as follows:

Exxon was aware of climate change, as early as 1977, 11 years before it became a public issue, according to a recent investigation from InsideClimate News.

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To which I say, oh, get out of here with this bull****, will you!

In 1977 in America, there should have been no one under the age of 15 who were not aware of climate change, since we were modeling climate change with the same science which still exists today, in high school back in 1962.

But obviously, you can be real stupid, ignorant and uninformed and still be a feature writer for Scientific American as is the case here with this Shannon Hall, who is advertised as being an award-winning freelance science journalist based in the Rocky Mountains who specializes in writing about astronomy, geology and the environment, from an obviously biased perspective.

That spew of bull**** then continued as follows:

This knowledge did not prevent the company (now ExxonMobil and the world’s largest oil and gas company) from spending decades refusing to publicly acknowledge climate change and even promoting climate misinformation — an approach many have likened to the lies spread by the tobacco industry regarding the health risks of smoking.

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Now, I am over 70, and in 1975, I was inducted into Sigma Xi, The Scientific Research Honor Society, which is the international honor society of science and engineering.

One of the oldest and largest scientific organizations in the world, Sigma Xi has a distinguished history of service to science and society for more than one hundred and twenty five years.

Scientists and engineers, whose research spans the disciplines of science and technology, comprise the membership of the Society.

More than 200 Nobel Prize winners have been members.

Sigma Xi was founded in 1886 to honor excellence in scientific investigation and encourage a sense of companionship and cooperation among researchers in all fields of science and engineering.

So regardless of what AOC or Greta Thunberg or Shannon Hall were aware of in 1977, I and many others in the “science community” were aware of what Exxon Mobil was doing, which was conducting their own research into the equation and WHY NOT?

Because they are an oil company?

What horse****!

So despite the bull**** being spewed by the Scientific American in 2015, which bull**** was then regurgitated by United States Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on 29 June 2019, there was no cover-up by Exxon Mobil, and no, I never worked for them, nor desired to, and I don’t own stock in Exxon Mobil, and there was no misinformation campaign by Mobil, which takes us back to the hysteria-mongering and misinformation that real stupid Scientific American article as follows:

“It’s never been remotely plausible that they did not understand the science,” says Naomi Oreskes, a history of science professor at Harvard University.

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DUH!

It has never been remotely plausible that any high school graduate over the age of 15 since at least the 1950s if not before does not understand the “science,” so that hype and tripe from this Naomi Oreskes, a history of science professor at Harvard University, above here about Mobil not understanding high school science can be dismissed for what it is – mindless drivel, which makes it plain that you can be a collitch perfesser at Harvard without having to know a ******* thing.

And what makes this truly obscene is that Arrhenius was trying to quell hysteria about climate change with his equation while the AOC manipulative crowd that is exploiting poor little Greta Thunberg, the scared girl from Sweden, are trying to use the Arrhenius Equation to sow fear and hysteria to get us off-balance so we can’t think straight and thus, will be easy meat for AOC to manipulate at her will.

So, when you are for the Green New Deal, which has already been proven by AOC herself to be nothing more than a fund-raising scam, you are for fraud, lies, deceit and deception.

Why?

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 20, 2019 at 10:56 am

Paul Plante says :

So, today is what is known as “SREECH AND SHRIEK” day across the world, where hordes of people led by AOC and Greta Thunberg are going to be out on the street en masse ululating and chanting over and over, feverishly, “HEY, HEY, HO, HO, CLIMATE CHANGE HAS GOT TO GO,” which should make for some pretty exciting news coverage, anyway, if you like pictures of throngs of people all with their mouths wide open howling at the sky for it to stand still and stop changing.

Which brings us to the essential question of “if there is but one Arrhenius Equation, then how can there be any disagreement about climate change,” which is a very good question, the answer to which was touched upon by Wayne Creed in another edition of the Cape Charles Mirror, where he made a statement to the effect that models of reality are not reality and do not control reality,

The controversy comes in because the Greta/AOC crowd are treating the Arrhenius Equation as absolute, when in reality, it is an approximation, as are all models of physical systems.

While Arrhenius never intended his equation to be used in the manner it is being used in today, which is to strike fear into our hearts and minds that if we do not right now at this instant hand control of our lives over to Greta Thunberg and AOC and the Democrats, the world is going to end and be gone in ten or twelve more years, that is exactly what Greta and AOC and the Democrats are doing with it, which is a total perversion of science, which is what has me standing up in here saying “wait a minute,” because these lies being propagated by the hysterical set involve the lives of all of us, which is why this must needs be and remain a very public discussion, to counter this bull**** Greta and AOC and Svante Thunberg and the Democrats are peddling, especially on this day when they are all going to be out there shrieking about the world coming to an end as they chant slogans and wave signs saying HOORAY for their side, with the potential for acts of violence and smashing of things by them if they don’t get their way.

In his work “WORLDS IN THE MAKING – THE EVOLUTION OF THE UNIVERSE,” published March, 1908, Arrhenius had this to say about the times that caused him to come up with his equation, to wit:

The problem of the evolution of the Universe has always excited the profound interest of thinking men.

And it will, without doubt, remain the most eminent among all the questions which do not have any direct, practical bearing.

Different ages have arrived at different solutions to this great problem.

Each of these solutions reflected the stand-point of the natural philosophers of its time.

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Now, if you are a real “scientist,” whatever that empty word is supposed to mean anymore, when the most ignorant among us can now claim the title, as we are seeing with the case of Greta Thunberg, the poor scared little girl from Sweden who is running around with what she calls “the science,” we take that to mean just what it says – theories of how something happened are just that, theories, and theories of reality are not reality itself, and it is too bad that United States Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is unaware of that.

As to those times which spawned the Arrhenius Equation, the author himself stated thusly, to wit:

The theses of Mayer and of Helmholtz, on the manner in which the Sun replenishes its losses of heat, have had to be abandoned.

My explanation is based upon chemical reactions in the interior of the Sun in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics.

The theory of the “degradation” of energy appeared to introduce a still greater difficulty.

That theory seems to lead to the inevitable conclusion that the Universe is tending towards the state which Clausius has designated as ” Wdrme Tod” (heat death), when all the energy of the Universe will uniformly be distributed through space in the shape of movements of the smallest particles.

That would imply an absolutely inconceivable end of the development of the Universe.

The way out of this difficulty which I propose comes to this: the energy is “degraded” in bodies which are in the solar state, and the energy is “elevated,” raised to a higher level, in bodies which are in the nebular state.

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Yes, people, back then, and it was still being said when I was young, the operative theory that Arrhenius debunked was that indeed the world was going to end, and all life, on it, which includes you and me, and AOC and poor little Greta, because like your car on a trip, whether IC or an all-electric Tesla, which are quite fast, each day the sun shone down on earth used up some of its energy, so that it was going to run out of gas, and it would blink out, and doom for all of us, would follow!

SHRIEK! SHRIEK! SHRIEK!

Run for your lives!

The world is going to end when the sun runs out of gas!

No, wait!

Sorry, people, I grabbed the wrong cue card by mistake!

Oh, here it is!

Today’s headline – run for your lives, the world is going to end because it is going to overheat and cook us all like a side of beef at a Texas bar-b-cue if we don’t all get out there right now and shake brooms and sticks and clubs at the carbon dioxide in the sky and make it go away or we’ll all throw fits and lay in the road and block traffic, which should teach that nasty carbon dioxide a good lesson, alright.

And once again, my thanks as an American citizen concerned about this mounting hysteria intended to turn our children and grandchildren against us for the crime of stealing their futures from them by daring to create carbon dioxide when we exhale to the Cape Charles Mirror, which alone in America seems to be the only publication giving equal time to BOTH sides of this issue, instead of just Greta’s!

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 21, 2019 at 6:37 pm

Paul Plante says :

In all seriousness, Sorin, where the hell do you live that you are so disconnected from the reality that the rest of us who don’t live in Never Never Land with Peter Pan, where life is beautiful all the time, live in that you end up thinking that all of us are sitting out here wantonly wasting resources and being profligate with energy, creating veritable clouds of carbon dioxide in our passing, so we can steal Greta Thunberg’s future to have for our own instead, as we are being accused of doing by this younger set in America who don’t know there is a sky above them, because they are always staring at the palm of their hand, while waiting for the Democrats to take over all three parts of our federal government so they can then send us to re-education camps where we can learn the “right path” by engaging in hard labor every day?

And let me tell you, as belligerent as you are getting right now, I’m damn glad I’m not anywhere near you, especially after a few beers, because I can see you starting to get puce with rage here, with those big veins in your head standing out, and poor Mr. Otton trying to hold you back before you pummel me and knock me to the floor so you can stomp me a bit before kicking me the rest of the way out the door.

You say that it’s obvious that we should stop burning coal for energy production ASAP. because it’s dirty, and Sorin, we, that portion of the American people who are still capable of INDEPENDENT ACTION have been doing that, dude.

If you did even the very basic type of research on the subject of coal that my four-year old grand daughter does on the computer, along with a lot of other “children” (read, young adults) her age, you would find that in America, right here where we, the American people are, as opposed to some other country or ignorant ****-hole, the U.S. coal industry is declining in the face of lower-cost natural gas, renewable energy and regulations designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and protect public health.

You would find, as any intelligent child does, that in the United States of America, as opposed to some benighted ****-hole like Zimbabwe or Kenya and Venezuela, utilities are accelerating their retirement of coal plants because they are increasingly uneconomical, but oh my goodness, don’t I sound just like a NATIONALIST there, talking about what we, the American people who aren’t ignorant are doing, as if we were somehow different or smarter than every one else on the planet.

You would find that in America, as opposed say, to Sweden, or China, coal demand is poised to drop by more than 2 percent each year as our economy continues to shut down coal plants in favor of natural gas and renewable energy.

You would find that in the United States of America, OUR country, the average share of electricity generated from coal in the US has dropped from 52.8% in 1997 to 27.4% in 2018.

So tell me, Sorin , if that is what children in America know, how come you don’t?

How come you think we are doing nothing, perhaps because the rich set down in Cape Charles with all their big boats and such are doing nothing, because to them, ostentation is what matters?

Then you say we should build houses with good insulation, because it’s more efficient to cool/warm, as if none of us out here where it gets a hell of a lot colder than the perfect year-round climate of Cape Charles, known as a garden spot of the world when it comes to having a climate that is just lovely every day of the week and all the year round, could possibly know that.

We people in America who live in places where it gets down below zero in the winter have known about insulation for longer than you have been alive, so that we can stay alive, unlike you people down there who can go out in your bathing suit all year round to do your surfing.

And you obviously do not know that energy efficiency in building construction in the Commonwealth of Virginia is MANDATED (oh, my goodness, SNIFF, SNIFF, regulations, which we Americans so hate) by the state’s energy code https://up.codes/viewer/virginia/iecc-2 ... ation#CE_1 with its intent stated in C101.3, as follows:

This code shall regulate the design and construction of buildings for the effective use and conservation of energy over the useful life of each building.

This code is intended to provide flexibility to permit the use of innovative approaches and techniques to achieve this objective.

This code is not intended to abridge safety, health or environmental requirements contained in other applicable codes or ordinances.

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If you go to this site by the Virginia Energy Efficiency Council https://vaeec.org/programs/building-codes/ you will see that it is educating (not sowing hysteria like they do in Sweden to scare little girls like poor Greta) children about energy efficiency in residential buildings, to wit:

Everyone wins when new homes are built to the most cost-effective and efficient standards.

Studies show that rigorous energy codes are among the most cost-effective ways to improve energy efficiency and provide immediate cost savings to new home buyers.

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And Sorin, those of us who aren’t stupid, and don’t have big boats, and a lot of money to waste, and who live where it gets cold know that to be true, which is why we do use the best materials and most modern techniques that we can to keep ourselves from ******* FREEZING OUR ***** OFF in the winter, which is on its way, no matter how hard we all get out there and screech that we don’t want the climate to change, we want it to be just like Cape Charles or Disneyland all year round, so we can go surfing too, instead of having to deal with shoveling snow.

And then you say to update the grid to reduce power losses and better handle events, as if that is not an on-going process by the power companies, who are publicly traded companies always looking to maximize return on investment.

And Sorin, you cannot reduce Joule Heating losses by using what you call a “smart network.”

You reduce Joule Heating losses by reducing resistance, and by having the source of power as close to the user as possible which is why Alcoa has its aluminum plants, which use a lot of energy, in northern New York by the St. Lawrence River.

From there you go to support electric vehicle research, because even now, it’s a more efficient way to convert energy to motion, and that too is going on, Sorin.

Consider this article from the HOUSTON CHRONICLE entitled “Demand for gasoline wanes as electric car sales advance: report” by Marissa Luck on Nov. 30, 2018, to wit:

Americans’ appetite for gasoline is slowing and could fall further as electric car sales continue to bite into gasoline demand.

Electric vehicles sales are expected to make up 36 percent of new car sales by 2040, or in the most extreme scenarios, 100 percent of new car sales in the U.S. Europe and China, according to new analyses by the energy research firm from Wood Mackenzie.

Wood Mac projected that that this rate of adoption of electric vehicles would displace 5.5 million barrels a day of oil, although in an extreme scenario that could be as high as 11 million barrels a day.

If the current pace of reducing emissions of carbon dioxide, a major cause of global warming produced by fossil fuels such as oil, natural gas and coal, the global demand for oil would peak in 2036.

If the pace accelerates, global oil demand could peak as soon as 2031.

That, of course, has big implications for the economy of Houston, where most of the world’s biggest energy companies have headquarters or significant operations.

“The global energy transition will continue to progress, led in large part to technologies and (carbon dioxide reduction) trends we’re already seeing in the marketplace – the rise of renewables, growth in electric vehicles, electrification of end-use demand, increasing efficiency,” said David Brown, senior analyst at Wood Mackenzie, in a statement.

The auto industry’s bullish outlook on electric vehicles was highlighted this week when GM announced it will stop making its hybrid, the Chevy Volt, in favor of focusing on electric and autonomous vehicles.

Fossil fuels, however, are not going to vanish.

Even in an extreme scenario, fossil fuels will still make up 77 percent of global energy demand through 2035, according to Wood Mackenzie

While Americans are still consuming lots of gasoline, demand is flattening as vehicles become more fuel efficient.

The could mean lower profit margins — even losses — on motor gasoline for refineries along the Gulf and East coasts, the U.S. Energy Department said in a note Wednesday.

Higher gasoline prices for most of this year has hurt gasoline demand, the Energy Department said.

In the short-term energy outlook released earlier this month, the Energy Department estimated that U.S. gasoline consumption fell 1.3 percent in October compared to the same time last year, the sixth month this year with year-over-year declines.

For the first three weeks of November, estimated monthly gasoline consumption averaged about 9.2 million barrels per a day, a decrease of 262,000 barrels per a day since last November.

“Gasoline production has outpaced demand,” the Energy Department said, “and inventories have increased beyond their normal seasonal levels, lowering gasoline prices and, as a result, gasoline margins.”

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The world is not static, Sorin, and people don’t stand still waiting for some Democrat to come along and tell them “okay, now it is time, children, to inhale!”

Change is happening all the time, and as Wayne Creed said in an earlier edition of the Cape Charles MIRROR, or another episode, depending on how you look at it, “IT IS THE ECONOMICS” which determine the direction things go in, not the Democrats and AOC and poor little scared Greta Thunberg.

And then you say invest more in fusion or molten salt reactor research, to which I, an engineer, say why?

What is it that we don’t know about them by this time, given that research into fusion reactors began in the 1940s and has been on-going since then?

For the record, collaborative, multinational physics projects in this area include the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) joint fusion experiment in France, which broke ground for its first support structures in 2010 — with the first experiments on its fusion machine, or tokamak, expected to begin in 2025.

However, ALL of the research done to date makes it clear that fusion energy production is pie-in-the sky for a host of reasons which are detailed in a paper from the BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS dated April 19, 2017 and entitled “Fusion reactors: Not what they’re cracked up to be” by Daniel Jassby, a principal research physicist at the Princeton Plasma Physics Lab until 1999 who for 25 years worked in areas of plasma physics and neutron production related to fusion, to wit:

To sum up, fusion reactors face some unique problems: a lack of a natural fuel supply (tritium), and large and irreducible electrical energy drains to offset.

Because 80 percent of the energy in any reactor fueled by deuterium and tritium appears in the form of neutron streams, it is inescapable that such reactors share many of the drawbacks of fission reactors — including the production of large masses of radioactive waste and serious radiation damage to reactor components.

These problems are endemic to any type of fusion reactor fueled with deuterium-tritium, so abandoning tokamaks for some other confinement concept can provide no relief.

If reactors can be made to operate using only deuterium fuel, then the tritium replenishment issue vanishes and neutron radiation damage is alleviated.

But the other drawbacks remain — and reactors requiring only deuterium fueling will have greatly enhanced nuclear weapons proliferation potential.

These impediments — together with the colossal capital outlay and several additional disadvantages shared with fission reactors — will make fusion reactors more demanding to construct and operate, or reach economic practicality, than any other type of electrical energy generator.

The harsh realities of fusion belie the claims of its proponents of “unlimited, clean, safe and cheap energy.”

Terrestrial fusion energy is not the ideal energy source extolled by its boosters, but to the contrary: It’s something to be shunned.

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And there is also this:

A fusion reactor is a thermal power plant that would place immense demands on water resources for the secondary cooling loop that generates steam, as well as for removing heat from other reactor subsystems such as cryogenic refrigerators and pumps.

Worse, the several hundred megawatts or more of thermal power that must be generated solely to satisfy the two classes of parasitic electric power drain places additional demand on water resources for cooling that is not faced by any other type of thermoelectric power plant.

In fact, a fusion reactor would have the lowest water efficiency of any type of thermal power plant, whether fossil or nuclear.

With drought conditions intensifying in sundry regions of the world, many countries could not physically sustain large fusion reactors.

Numerous alternative coolants for the primary heat-removal loop have been studied for both fission and fusion reactors, and one-meter thick liquid lithium walls may be essential for inertial confinement fusion systems to withstand the impulse loading.

However, water has been used almost exclusively in commercial fission reactors for the last 60 years, including all of those presently under construction worldwide.

This circumstance indicates that implementing any substitute for water coolant such as helium or liquid metal will be impractical in magnetic confinement fusion systems.

And all of the above means that any fusion reactor will face outsized operating costs.

Fusion reactor operation will require personnel whose expertise has previously been required only for work in fission plants — such as security experts for monitoring safeguard issues and specialty workers to dispose of radioactive waste.

Additional skilled personnel will be required to operate a fusion reactor’s more complex subsystems including cryogenics, tritium processing, plasma heating equipment, and elaborate diagnostics.

Fission reactors in the United States typically require at least 500 permanent employees over four weekly shifts, and fusion reactors will require closer to 1,000.

In contrast, only a handful of people are required to operate hydroelectric plants, natural-gas burning plants, wind turbines, solar power plants, and other power sources.

Another intractable operating expense is the 75-to-100 megawatts of parasitic electric power consumed continuously by on-site supporting facilities that must be purchased from the regional grid when the fusion source is not operating.

Multiple recurring expenses include the replacement of radiation-damaged and plasma-eroded components in magnetic confinement fusion, and the fabrication of millions of fuel capsules for each inertial confinement fusion reactor annually.

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So, with regard to your simple question for me as to what I think the public policy should be on the topic of energy production, transportation, and do we need to come together as a nation and change anything or just carry on what we do now, I’m not waiting for that to happen, to be quite frank, because it will never happen, that the American people will come together on this, especially now when people are so very ignorant and hysterical as they are.

As to what public policy should be, I would go back to 1942, and pp. 251,252 of Fundamentals of Economic Geography by Nels A. Bengtson, Professor of Geography, and Chairman of the Department of Geography, University of Nebraska, and Willem Van Royen, Department of Economics, Brooklyn College of the City of New York; Board of Economic Warfare, Division of Resources and Supply, copyright 1942, where we have as follows:

The oil pools of California are characterized by high gas pressure, and therefore the flush output of wells is high.

The quality of the oil varies from light to heavy in different pools, some being of exceptionally high quality, but for the province as a whole asphaltic oils predominate.

In spite of low prices for such oils the great flush production long ago made wells highly profitable and led to veritable orgies of drilling.

Enormous production has been obtained from several pools in the Los Angeles Basin, which in proportion to its area must be classed as one of the most productive districts in the world.

Competition for the oil caused too close drilling and resulted in production so great that markets were unable to absorb the output.

Oil interests have finally become convinced of the truth long agitated by economists and geologists, that unrestricted drilling is uneconomical and that the rapid reduction of gas pressure which it entails lessens the amount of oil which ultimately be obtained from the area.

In recognition of this, California has a state conservation law, the intent of which is to prevent the waste of natural gas and thereby not only conserve it for industrial use, but, through maintained gas pressure, increase the amount of petroleum which may ultimately be recovered from the producing sands of the area.

Such legislation is distinctly forward-looking and reflects the sane view that wanton waste in utilizing natural resources is economically unsound, and that, therefore, the immediate profits of a few must be sacrificed for the ultimate advantage of the many.

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Do you think that makes me sound like an anti-capitalist, Sorin?

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THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR September 22, 2019 at 6:02 pm

Paul Plante says :

Did you miss anything?

Are you kidding me?

You missed everything, especially with respect to fusion, but hey, this is America, where you really don’t need to know anything, especially if you are running for high public office, so it is alright that you missed everything, and I hope you have a real great day!

But while we have you on the line here, before you go, let’s go down through your points one by one, because that is how important this conversation really is, to everybody alive in America today, to wit:

* Democrats are evil

That, Sorin is a value judgment that I myself would leave to the moralists and theologians out there to argue through, but, if you see them as evil in your scheme of things, then to you, they are, and I would not argue against you that exploiting and manipulating children and politicizing children for partisan political gain as the Democrats are doing with this climate change hysteria they are provoking with lies and deception is obscene, and where evil is defined as profoundly immoral and wicked, as in “their evil deeds,” with such synonyms as bad, morally wrong, and immoral, then yes, Sorin, we can say that those Democrats who believe it is alright to scare children with lies for political gain are indeed evil.

Moving right along:

* Greta is the devil incarnate

And again, Sorin, that is another value judgment, and while you might see it that way, to me, as a compassionate grandfather, I see her as a very troubled youth who is a victim of her parents and her society.

Consider this from the poor girl’s published bio, Sorin:

Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.

Three years later she became depressed and lethargic, stopped talking and eating, and was eventually diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), and selective mutism.

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YEOW! you know what I mean, Sorin?

That poor little girl is a mess, and we should be feeling real sorry for her victimhood instead of condemning the poor damaged girl as the devil incarnate and calumniating against her like that when it is quite clear the girl is in need of some good psychiatric help, instead, which she apparently does not have access to in Sweden, poor thing.

And consider this from the puff piece about her in the GUARDIAN article “When Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez met Greta Thunberg: ‘Hope is contagious’ – One is America’s youngest-ever congresswoman, the other a Swedish schoolgirl. Two of the most powerful voices on the climate speak for the first time” by Emma Brockes on 29 Jun. 2019, to wit:

“Millions of children around the world, striking and saying, ‘Why should we study for a future that may not exist any more?’”

“This is not only me, but everyone in the movement.”

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That is Greta speaking, Sorin – does she sound like the Devil incarnate there, or just a confused little girl?

And while we are on the subject of the exploitation and manipulation of that troubled little girl, how about the NPR article “Greta Thunberg To U.S.: ‘You Have A Moral Responsibility’ On Climate Change” by Bill Chappell and Ailsa Chang on September 13, 2019, as follows:

Asked when she became so passionate about climate change, Thunberg says it started before she was 10 years old, during a school lesson that, as she recalls, made the entire class very sad.

“We saw these horrifying pictures of plastic in the oceans and floodings and so on, and everyone was very moved by that.”

“But then it just seemed like everyone went back to normal,” Thunberg says.

“And I couldn’t go back to normal because those pictures were stuck in my head.”

“And I couldn’t just go on knowing that this was happening around the world.”

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And it is not happening all around the world, but nobody in the media which is exploiting this little girl has the courage to tell this little girl she is wrong, and that is what is wrong, Sorin – they let this little girl stay scared so they can sell advertising, which is obscene.

And then we have THE NEW YORKER article entitled “The Fifteen-Year-Old Climate Activist Who Is Demanding a New Kind of Politics” by Masha Gessen on October 2, 2018, as follows:

Thunberg developed her special interest in climate change when she was nine years old and in the third grade.

“They were always talking about how we should turn off lights, save water, not throw out food,” she told me.

“I asked why and they explained about climate change.”

“And I thought this was very strange.”

“If humans could really change the climate, everyone would be talking about it and people wouldn’t be talking about anything else.”

“But this wasn’t happening.”

“I can become very angry when I see things that are wrong,” she said.

On a recent class trip to a museum exhibit on climate change, for example, she noticed that some figures in the show — statistics on the carbon footprint of meat production, for example — were wrong.

“I became very angry, but I’m quiet, so I just went to the exit and sat there by the doors.”

“I didn’t say anything until people asked me.”

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She needs you to give her a good hug, Sorin, not have you calling her the devil incarnate, which takes us to your next point,. as follows:

* Human driven climate change is a hoax (so all these scientists, are either mistaken or evil : https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ ,
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“Science,” Sorin, is not a democracy, where the majority rules.

And unless you happen to be in balmy Cape Charles, Virginia, or Disneyland, or Burbank, California, or San Diego, or maybe Papeete, Tahiti, where the climate is perfect just as you would want it to be 24/7/365, climate, which is nothing more than the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc., is constantly changing, so given that, climate change can hardly be a myth, can it?

And of course the activities of humans affect the climate, which is the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc.

Fourth grade children are aware of that.

And moving right along again:

* We don’t have to change policy because change is happening already

Policy is constantly changing, Sorin.

* We shouldn’t accelerate research in nuclear power because …

Because why?

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Paul Plante says :

Well, I also have some sequestered carbon dioxide that I can gain energy from in my potato patch and my squash, etc., because everything we eat that is natural, Sorin, at least that which grows, is sequestered carbon dioxide.

Without carbon dioxide, life on earth would cease.

Nothing green could grow.

Check out NASA, Sorin – studies have shown that increased concentrations of carbon dioxide increase photosynthesis, spurring plant growth.

A plant will not grow or thrive in environments with less than 300 ppm in their atmosphere, and when modifying the growing environment to increase the yield of plants, a grower will increase their CO2 up to 2,000 ppm.

And the present carbon dioxide reading according to a NOAA scientific paper entitled “Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide” by Rebecca Lindsey on September 19, 2019 states thusly, with respect to CLIMATE CHANGE HYSTERIA, to wit:

The global average atmospheric carbon dioxide in 2018 was 407.4 parts per million (ppm for short), with a range of uncertainty of plus or minus 0.1 ppm.

Carbon dioxide levels today are higher than at any point in at least the past 800,000 years.

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GASP!

OMG!

HOW TERRIBLE!

WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE AND GRETA THUNBERG ISN’T GOING TO HAVE A FUTURE!

Which is bull****.

Look at the graph and tell me what you see, Sorin https://www.climate.gov/news-features/u ... on-dioxide because what I see is a line across labeled 300 ppm, and up until literally yesterday, the earth’s supposed CO2 level was BELOW 300 ppm of carbon dioxide, which means that NO GREEN PLANTS COULD HAVE BEEN ALIVE ON EARTH, if the other science is correct that plants cannot grow below 300 ppm, which should give you an idea of just how stupid this climate science bull**** really is.

To believe it, you have to suspend disbelief at how silly it really is.

And if you study some HVAC guidelines, you will find that 350-1,000 ppm of carbon dioxide is the typical level found in occupied spaces with good air exchange, and that is carbon dioxide caused by people breathing.

In the meantime, there are no VIABLE studies that predict carbon dioxide is going to cause the world to end in 10 or 12 years.

THE MODEL IS FATALLY FLAWED, regardless of how many people want to be so foolish as to sign their names to something.

So how much carbon dioxide do you want to remove from the earth’s atmosphere, Sorin, where it is a naturally occurring component?

And how are you going to accomplish that?

As to the scientific community, Sorin, it is a diverse network of interacting scientists and objectivity is expected to be achieved by the scientific method.

As to the scientific method, it is an empirical method of acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century.

It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation.

RIGOROUS SKEPTICISM, Sorin, i.e. science is not a democracy, no matter how many articles on “consensus” you want to post in here, because there is no consensus that carbon dioxide will cause the world to end in 10 or 12 years.

You say that scientific consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study, and consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity.

And I point to a paper entitled “NASA Releases New CO2 Data, Refutes Conventional Wisdom – Analyses of a set of NASA data shows that water vapor greatly amplifies global warming, and carbon dioxide doesn’t mix in the atmosphere as quickly as assumed” by Ucilia Wang dated December 15, 2009, which gives us some real science, as follows:

SAN FRANCISCO — NASA has released the first-ever set of carbon dioxide data based only on daily observations by a satellite instrument, a new tool that will help researchers study climate change and improve weather predictions.

The data came from the Atmospheric Infrared Sounder (AIRS) that NASA launched aboard its Aqua spacecraft in 2002.

Since then, AIRS has amassed information about carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, water vapor, methane and temperatures in the mid-troposphere (see multimedia presentations).

The mid-troposphere is about three to seven miles above the Earth’s surface.

For carbon dioxide, AIRS measures and tracks its concentration and movement as it moves across the globe.

Observation data is critical for scientists to validate their models or adjust them to better predict the impact of greenhouse gas emissions on the weather and climate.

The data have already refuted a long-held belief that carbon dioxide is evenly distributed and do so fairly quickly in the atmosphere once it rises from the ground, said Moustafa Chahine, the science team leader of the AIRS project at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco Tuesday.

“Contrary to the prevailing wisdom, carbon dioxide is not well mixed in the mid-troposphere,” Chahine said.

“You can see the jet stream splitting the carbon dioxide clump.”

AIRS data shows instead that carbon dioxide, which has seen its rate of increase accelerating from 1 part per million in 1955 to 2 parts per million today, would require about two to three years before it blends in, he said.

The atmosphere currently has about 400 parts per million.

How well and how quickly carbon dioxide blends in is important for understanding how much and how long carbon dioxide remains in the atmosphere and affects the climate before some of it is scooped up by Earth’s natural scrubbers, such as the ocean.

And by extension, that knowledge would be crucial in determining what humans must do to minimize their emissions or use technologies to capture and sequester their carbon dioxide pollution before it escapes into the atmosphere.

Chahine said several climate models have assumed an even distribution because researchers didn’t have adequate data to show how the carbon dioxide is vertically transported through the atmosphere.

“The data we have now will help researchers improve their models’ vertical transport,” Chahine said.

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So much for your consensus theory.

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