Re: Just musings, is all
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:40 p
THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR March 30, 2021 at 7:36 pm
Paul Plante says:
So, yes, people – factions!
Two warring factions control our national politics, starting with who will be the chief magistrate.
Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan herself, who was nominated by Hussein Obama on May 10, 2010, is a member or product of a faction, and so it should come as no surprise to those of us who are LAW-ABIDING LOYAL AMERICAN CITIZENS who are not members of a faction that she would defend that system by which the factions effectively stripped us of a choice when it comes to who will be the next U.S. President, which takes us back to FEDERALIST No. 10, “The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection,” from the New York Packet to the People of the State of New York on Friday, November 23, 1787, where James Madison stated thusly:
The instability, injustice, and confusion introduced into the public councils, have, in truth, been the mortal diseases under which popular governments have everywhere perished; as they continue to be the favorite and fruitful topics from which the adversaries to liberty derive their most specious declamations.
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Despite the fact that those words about the instability, injustice, and confusion introduced into the public councils, have, in truth, been the mortal diseases under which popular governments have everywhere perished were published in 1787, in our times today, and especially after this FARCE of an election in November of 2020, they are still so very true, which takes us back to Jemmy, as follows:
Complaints are everywhere heard from our most considerate and virtuous citizens, equally the friends of public and private faith, and of public and personal liberty, that our governments are too unstable, that the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority.
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And that statement by James Madison in 1787 about the public good being disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties makes it quite clear that when Elena Kagan tells us in CHIAFALO ET AL. v. WASHINGTON that the plan for electing U.S. presidents outlined by Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 68 failed to anticipate the rise of political parties, she is full of **** and is making up American history by pulling it out of her ***, because in 1787, the parties or factions obviously already existed, or James Madison would not have made mention of them in Federalist No. 10, to wit:
However anxiously we may wish that these complaints had no foundation, the evidence, of known facts will not permit us to deny that they are in some degree true.
It will be found, indeed, on a candid review of our situation, that some of the distresses under which we labor have been erroneously charged on the operation of our governments; but it will be found, at the same time, that other causes will not alone account for many of our heaviest misfortunes; and, particularly, for that prevailing and increasing distrust of public engagements, and alarm for private rights, which are echoed from one end of the continent to the other.
These must be chiefly, if not wholly, effects of the unsteadiness and injustice with which a factious spirit has tainted our public administrations.
By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.
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By that definition, a number of citizens who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, and to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community, James Madison is talking about the Democrat party today, which takes us back to Justice Kagan in CHIAFALO ET AL. v. WASHINGTON, to wit:
The Nation’s first contested presidential election occurred in 1796, after George Washington’s retirement.
John Adams came in first among the candidates, and Thomas Jefferson second.
That meant the leaders of the era’s two warring political parties — the Federalists and the Republicans — became President and Vice President respectively.
(One might think of this as fodder for a new season of Veep.)
Four years later, a different problem arose.
Jefferson and Aaron Burr ran that year as a Republican Party ticket, with the former meant to be President and the latter meant to be Vice.
For that plan to succeed, Jefferson had to come in first and Burr just behind him.
Instead, Jefferson came in first and Burr . . . did too.
Every elector who voted for Jefferson also voted for Burr, producing a tie.
That threw the election into the House of Representatives, which took no fewer than 36 ballots to elect Jefferson.
(Alexander Hamilton secured his place on the Broadway stage — but possibly in the cemetery too — by lobbying Federalists in the House to tip the election to Jefferson, whom he loathed but viewed as less of an existential threat to the Republic.)
By then, everyone had had enough of the Electoral College’s original voting rules.
The result was the Twelfth Amendment, whose main part provided that electors would vote separately for President and Vice President.
The Amendment, ratified in 1804, says: “The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President . . .; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to [Congress, where] the votes shall then be counted.”
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And once again, let me pause here to let that all sink in.
http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/o ... ent-339769
Paul Plante says:
So, yes, people – factions!
Two warring factions control our national politics, starting with who will be the chief magistrate.
Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan herself, who was nominated by Hussein Obama on May 10, 2010, is a member or product of a faction, and so it should come as no surprise to those of us who are LAW-ABIDING LOYAL AMERICAN CITIZENS who are not members of a faction that she would defend that system by which the factions effectively stripped us of a choice when it comes to who will be the next U.S. President, which takes us back to FEDERALIST No. 10, “The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection,” from the New York Packet to the People of the State of New York on Friday, November 23, 1787, where James Madison stated thusly:
The instability, injustice, and confusion introduced into the public councils, have, in truth, been the mortal diseases under which popular governments have everywhere perished; as they continue to be the favorite and fruitful topics from which the adversaries to liberty derive their most specious declamations.
end quotes
Despite the fact that those words about the instability, injustice, and confusion introduced into the public councils, have, in truth, been the mortal diseases under which popular governments have everywhere perished were published in 1787, in our times today, and especially after this FARCE of an election in November of 2020, they are still so very true, which takes us back to Jemmy, as follows:
Complaints are everywhere heard from our most considerate and virtuous citizens, equally the friends of public and private faith, and of public and personal liberty, that our governments are too unstable, that the public good is disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties, and that measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority.
end quotes
And that statement by James Madison in 1787 about the public good being disregarded in the conflicts of rival parties makes it quite clear that when Elena Kagan tells us in CHIAFALO ET AL. v. WASHINGTON that the plan for electing U.S. presidents outlined by Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 68 failed to anticipate the rise of political parties, she is full of **** and is making up American history by pulling it out of her ***, because in 1787, the parties or factions obviously already existed, or James Madison would not have made mention of them in Federalist No. 10, to wit:
However anxiously we may wish that these complaints had no foundation, the evidence, of known facts will not permit us to deny that they are in some degree true.
It will be found, indeed, on a candid review of our situation, that some of the distresses under which we labor have been erroneously charged on the operation of our governments; but it will be found, at the same time, that other causes will not alone account for many of our heaviest misfortunes; and, particularly, for that prevailing and increasing distrust of public engagements, and alarm for private rights, which are echoed from one end of the continent to the other.
These must be chiefly, if not wholly, effects of the unsteadiness and injustice with which a factious spirit has tainted our public administrations.
By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.
end quotes
By that definition, a number of citizens who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, and to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community, James Madison is talking about the Democrat party today, which takes us back to Justice Kagan in CHIAFALO ET AL. v. WASHINGTON, to wit:
The Nation’s first contested presidential election occurred in 1796, after George Washington’s retirement.
John Adams came in first among the candidates, and Thomas Jefferson second.
That meant the leaders of the era’s two warring political parties — the Federalists and the Republicans — became President and Vice President respectively.
(One might think of this as fodder for a new season of Veep.)
Four years later, a different problem arose.
Jefferson and Aaron Burr ran that year as a Republican Party ticket, with the former meant to be President and the latter meant to be Vice.
For that plan to succeed, Jefferson had to come in first and Burr just behind him.
Instead, Jefferson came in first and Burr . . . did too.
Every elector who voted for Jefferson also voted for Burr, producing a tie.
That threw the election into the House of Representatives, which took no fewer than 36 ballots to elect Jefferson.
(Alexander Hamilton secured his place on the Broadway stage — but possibly in the cemetery too — by lobbying Federalists in the House to tip the election to Jefferson, whom he loathed but viewed as less of an existential threat to the Republic.)
By then, everyone had had enough of the Electoral College’s original voting rules.
The result was the Twelfth Amendment, whose main part provided that electors would vote separately for President and Vice President.
The Amendment, ratified in 1804, says: “The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President . . .; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to [Congress, where] the votes shall then be counted.”
end quotes
And once again, let me pause here to let that all sink in.
http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/o ... ent-339769