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THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER

“Joe Biden’s numbers are terrible, but Kamala Harris’s are even worse”

by David Freddoso on 22 July 2022

According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, President Joe Biden has a 35% favorable rating.

If you think that’s bad, his 31% job approval rating is even worse.

And just to look at a couple of key Democratic demographics, 63% of voters under 35 and fully 70% of Hispanic voters disapprove of his job performance.

That’s pretty bad going into the midterm elections.

In fact, it’s bad enough that former President Donald Trump, currently the subject of hearings that have a 48% plurality of voters convinced that he committed a crime (versus 44% no crime), has a better approval rating in this poll and leads Biden head-to-head in seven of the last eight surveys that asked the question.

Full transcript from the July 12 hearing of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack.

LIZ CHENEY: The committee will be in order.

BENNIE THOMPSON: Good evening.

Earlier this week, I received a positive COVID diagnosis.

Per CDC guidelines, I've received the initial two shots and all of the boosters.

Thus far, I have been blessed to experience very minimal symptoms.

Because I'm still quarantined, I cannot participate in person with my colleagues.

I've asked our vice chair, Ms. Cheney, to preside over this evening's hearing, including maintaining order in the room and swearing in our witnesses.

Over the last month and a half, the Select Committee has told the story of a president who did everything in his power to overturn an election.

He lied.

He bullied.

He betrayed his oath.

He tried to destroy our democratic institutions.

He summoned a mob to Washington.

Afterward, on January 6th when he knew that the assembled mob was heavily armed and angry, he commanded the mob to go to the Capitol, and he emphatically commanded the heavily armed mob to fight like hell.

For the weeks between the November election and January 6th, Donald Trump was a force to be reckoned with.

He shrugged off the factuality and legality correct sober advice of his knowledgeable and sensible advisers.

Instead, he recklessly blazed a path of lawlessness and corruption, the cost of which democracy be damned.

And then he stopped.

For 187 minutes on January 6th, this man of unbridled destructive energy could not be moved, not by his aides, not by his allies, not by the violent chants of rioters, or the desperate pleas of those facing down the riot.

And more tellingly, Donald Trump ignored and disregarded the desperate pleas of his own family, including Ivanka and Don Junior.

Even though he was the only person in the world who could call off the mob he sent to the Capitol, he could not be moved to rise from his dining room table and walk the few steps down the White House hallway into the press briefing room, where cameras were anxiously and desperately waiting to carry his message to the armed and violent mob savagely beating and killing law enforcement officers ravaging the Capitol and hunting down the vice president and various members of Congress.

He could not be moved.

This evening, my colleagues, Mr. Kinzinger of Illinois and Ms. Luria of Virginia, will take you inside the White House during those 187 minutes.

We also remind you of what was happening at the Capitol minute by minute, as the final violent, tragic part of Donald Trump's scheme to cling to power unraveled while he ignored his advisers, stood by, and watched it unfold on television.

Let me offer a final thought about the Select Committee's work so far.

As we've made clear throughout these hearings, our investigation goes forward.

We continue to receive new information every day.

We continue to hear from witnesses.

We will reconvene in September to continue laying out our findings to the American people.

But as that work goes forward, a number of facts are clear.

There can be no doubt that there was a coordinated, multistep effort to overturn an election overseen and directed by Donald Trump.

There can be no doubt that he commanded a mob, a mob he knew was heavily armed, violent, and angry, to march on the Capitol to try to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

And he made targets out of his own vice president and the lawmakers gathered to do the people's work.

These facts have gone undisputed, and so there needs to be accountability, accountability under the law, accountability to the American people, accountability at every level, from the local precincts in many states where Donald Trump and his allies attacked election workers for just doing their jobs, all the Way up to the Oval Office, where Donald Trump embraced the legal advice of insurrectionists that a federal judge has already said was a coup in search of a legal theory.

Our democracy withstood the attack on January 6th.

If there is no accountability for January 6th, for every part of this scheme, I fear that we will not overcome the ongoing threat to our democracy.

There must be stiff consequences for those responsible.

Now I'll turn things over to our vice chair to start telling this story.

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FOX 5 DC

“Several arrested on gun charges as pro-Trump rallies begin in DC”

by Stephanie Ramirez and Lindsay Watts on January 5, 2021

Also on Tuesday, Mayor Bowser penned a stern letter to the United States Attorney General, Acting Secretary of Defense and Acting Secretary of the Army.

“The District of Columbia Government has not requested personnel from any other federal law enforcement agencies,” she wrote, calling on the federal leaders to coordinate with and contact D.C. Police immediately if they plan to do so.

This is in response to events that happened in June, as the Mayor and President publicly battled over who has the authority to mobilize law enforcement in the District.

LIZ CHENEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Without objection, the presiding officer is authorized to declare the committee in recess at any point.

Pursuant to House Deposition Authority Regulation 10, I announce that the committee has approved the release of the deposition material presented during today's hearing.

And let me begin tonight by wishing Chairman Thompson a rapid recovery from COVID.

He has expertly led us through eight hearings so far, and he has brought us to the point we are today.

In our initial hearing, the chairman and I described what ultimately became Donald Trump's seven part plan to overturn the 2020 presidential election, a plan stretching from before Election Day through January 6th.

At the close of today's hearing, our ninth, we will have addressed each element of that plan.

But in the course of these hearings, we have received new evidence, and new witnesses have bravely stepped forward.

Efforts to litigate and overcome immunity and executive privilege claims have been successful, and those continue.

Doors have opened, new subpoenas have been issued, and the dam has begun to break.

And now, even as we conduct our ninth hearing, we have considerably more to do.

We have far more evidence to share with the American people and more to gather, so our committee will spend August pursuing emerging information on multiple fronts before convening further hearings this September.

Today we know far more about the president's plans and actions to overturn the election than almost all members of Congress did when President Trump was impeached on January 13th, 2021 or when he was tried by the Senate in February of that year.

57 of 100 Senators voted to convict President Trump at that time, and more than 20 others said they were voting against conviction because the president's term had already expired.

At the time, the Republican leader of the United States Senate said this about Donald Trump.

[Begin videotape]

MITCH MCCONNELL: A mob was assaulting the Capitol in his name.

These criminals were carrying his banners, hanging his flags, and screaming their loyalty to him.

It was obvious that only President Trump could end this.

He was the only one.

[End videotape]

LIZ CHENEY: Leader McConnell reached those conclusions based on what he knew then without any of the much more detailed evidence you will see today.

Lawlessness and violence began at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021 before 1:00 PM and continued until well after darkness fell.

What exactly was our commander in chief doing during the hours of violence?

Today we address precisely that issue.

Everything you've heard in these hearings thus far will help you understand President Trump's motives during the violence.

You already know Donald Trump's goal: to halt or delay Congress's official proceedings to count certified electoral votes.

You know that Donald Trump tried to pressure his vice president to illegally reject votes and delay the proceedings.

You know he tried to convince state officials and state legislators to flip their electoral votes from Biden to Trump.

And you know Donald Trump tried to corrupt our Department of Justice to aid his scheme.

But by January 6th, none of that had worked.

Only one thing was succeeding on the afternoon of January 6th.

Only one thing was achieving President Trump's goal.

The angry, armed mob President Trump sent to the Capitol broke through security, invaded the Capitol, and forced the vote counting to stop.

That mob was violent and destructive, and many came armed.

As you will hear, Secret Service agents protecting the vice president were exceptionally concerned about his safety and their own.

Republican leader Kevin McCarthy was scared, as were others in Congress, even those who themselves helped to provoke the violence.

And as you will see today, Donald Trump's own White House counsel, his own White House staff, members of his own family all implored him to immediately intervene to condemn the violence and instruct his supporters to stand down, leave the Capitol, and disperse.

For multiple hours, he would not.

Donald Trump would not get on the phone and order the military or law enforcement agencies to help.

And for hours, Donald Trump chose not to answer the pleas from Congress, from his own party, and from all across our nation to do what his oath required.

He refused to defend our nation and our Constitution.

He refused to do what every American President must.

In the days after January 6th, almost no one of any political party would defend President Trump's conduct and no one should do so today.

Thank you, and I now recognize the gentlewoman from Virginia.

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ELAINE LURIA: Thank you, Madam Vice Chair.

Article Two of our Constitution requires that the president swear a very specific oath every four years.

Every president swears or affirms to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and to the best of their ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

The president also assumes the constitutional duty to take care that our nation's laws be faithfully executed and is the commander in chief of our military.

Our hearings have shown the many ways in which President Trump tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power in the days leading up to January 6th.

With each step of his plan he betrayed his oath of office and was derelict in his duty.

Tonight, we will further examine President Trump's actions on the day of the attack on the Capitol.

Early that afternoon, President Trump instructed tens of thousands of supporters at and near the ellipse rally, a number of whom he knew were armed with various types of weapons, to march to the Capitol.


After telling the crowd to March multiple times, he promised he would be with them and finished his remarks at 1:10 p.m. like this.

[Begin Videotape]

DONALD TRUMP: We're going to walk down and I'll be there with you.

We're going to walk down.

[Applause]

We're going to walk down anyone you want, but I think right here.

We're going to walk down to the Capitol.

[Applause]

So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: By this time, the Vice President was in the Capitol.

The joint session of Congress to certify Joe Biden's victory was underway and the Proud Boys and other rioters had stormed through the first barriers and begun the attack.

Radio communications from law enforcement informed Secret Service and those in the White House Situation Room of these developments in real time.

At the direction of President Trump, thousands more rioters marched from the ellipse to the Capitol and they joined the attack.

As you will see in great detail tonight, President Trump was being advised by nearly everyone to immediately instruct his supporters to leave the capital disperse and halt the violence.

Virtually everyone told President Trump to condemn the violence in clear and unmistakable terms.

And those on Capitol Hill and across the nation begged President Trump to help.

But the former President chose not to do what all of those people begged.

He refused to tell the mob to leave until 4:17, when he tweeted out a video statement filmed in the Rose Garden ending with this.

[Begin Videotape]

DONALD TRUMP: So go home.

We love you.

You're very special.

You've seen what happens.

You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.

I know how you feel.

But go home and go home in peace.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: By that time, two pipe bombs had been found at locations near the Capitol including where the Vice President elect was conducting a meeting.

Hours of hand-to-hand combat had seriously injured scores of law enforcement officers.

The Capitol had been invaded, the electoral count had been halted as members were evacuated.

Rioters took the floor of the Senate.

They rifled through desks and broke into offices, and they nearly caught up to Vice President Pence.

Guns were drawn on the House floor and a rioter was shot attempting to infiltrate the chamber.

We know that a number of rioters intended acts of physical violence against specific elected officials.

We know virtually all the rioters were motivated by President Trump's rhetoric that the election had been stolen, and they felt they needed to take their country back.

This hearing is principally about what happened inside of the White House that afternoon.

From the time when President Trump ended his speech until the moment when he finally told the mob to go home, a span of 187 minutes, more than three hours.

What you will learn is that President Trump sat in his dining room and watched the attack on television, while his senior most staff, closest advisors, and family members begged him to do what is expected of any American President.

I served proudly for 20 years as an officer in the United States Navy.

Veterans of our armed forces know firsthand the leadership that's required in a time of crisis, urgent and decisive action that puts duty and country first.


But on January 6th, when lives and our democracy hung in the balance, President Trump refused to act because of his selfish desire to stay in power.

And I yield to the gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Kinzinger.

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NPR

"A timeline of how the Jan. 6 attack unfolded — including who said what and when"

Updated June 9, 2022

2:38 p.m. Trump tweets again, calling for support of the Capitol Police and law enforcement.

He urges people to "stay peaceful."

ADAM KINZINGER: Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Luria.

One week after the attack, Republican leader Kevin McCarthy acknowledged the simple truth.

President Trump should have acted immediately to stop the violence.

During our investigation General Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also remarked on the President's failure to act.

Let's hear what they had to say.

[Begin Videotape]

KEVIN MCCARTHY: The President bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by mob rioters.

He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding.

These facts require immediate action by President Trump.

MARK MILLEY: Yeah.

You know, Commander in Chief, you got an assault going on on the Capitol of the United States of America.

And there's nothing?

No call?

Nothing?

Zero?

[End Videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: Like my colleague from Virginia, I'm a veteran.

I served in the Air Force and I serve currently in the Air National Guard.

I can tell you that General Milley's reaction to President Trump's conduct is 100 percent correct and so was Leader McCarthy's.

What explains President Trump's behavior?

Why did he not take immediate action in a time of crisis?

Because President Trump's plan for January 6th was to halt or delay Congress's official proceeding to count the votes.

The mob attacked the Capitol quick — the — the mob attacking the Capitol quickly caused the evacuation of both the House and the Senate.

The count ground to an absolute halt and was ultimately delayed for hours.

The mob was accomplishing President Trump's purpose, so of course he didn't intervene.

Here's what'll be clear by the end of this hearing.

President Trump did not fail to act during the 187 minutes between leaving the ellipse and telling the mob to go home.

He chose not to act.

But there were hundreds that day who honored their oaths and put their lives on the line to protect the people inside the Capitol and to safeguard our democracy.

Many of them are here tonight with us and many more are watching from home.

As you already know and we'll see again tonight, their service and sacrifice shines a bright light on President Trump's dishonor and dereliction of duty.

I yield to the Vice Chair.

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LIZ CHENEY: Thank you very much, Mr. Kinzinger.

I'd like to begin by welcoming our witnesses this evening.

Tonight, we're joined by Mr. Matthew Pottinger.

Mr. Pottinger is a decorated former Marine intelligence officer who served this nation on tours of duty in Afghanistan and Iraq.

He served in the Trump White House from the first day of the Administration through the early morning hours of January 7th, 2021.

The last role in which he served in the White House was as Deputy National Security Advisor to the President of the United States.

We're also joined by Sarah Matthews.

Ms. Matthews started her career in communications, working on Capitol Hill serving on the Republican staffs of several House committees.

She then worked as Deputy Press Secretary for President Trump's reelection campaign before joining the Trump White House in June of 2020.

She served there as Deputy Press Secretary and Special Assistant to the President until the evening of January 6th, 2021.

I will now swear in our witnesses.

The witnesses will please stand and raise their right hands.

Do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God?

Thank you.

You may be seated.

And let the record reflect that the witnesses answered in the affirmative.

Thank you both again for being here tonight.

Mr. Pottinger, thank you for your service to the nation as well as — as for joining us this evening.

Can you please briefly explain what your responsibilities were as Deputy National Security Advisor to the President?

MATTHEW POTTINGER: Thank you, Madam, Vice Chair.

When I started at the White House, I was a Senior Director for Asia on the National Security Council staff.

So that was a job that involved helping coordinate the President's Asia policy.

I supported the President when he met or interacted with Asian leaders.

Later, 2019 I was promoted to the job of Deputy National Security Advisor.

In that role, I was the Chairman of the deputies committee.

That's an NSC meeting of all the deputy cabinet secretaries.

We would settle important matters of — of national policy related to — to our national security.

And we would also tee up options for the President and for his cabinet members.

It was — I — I felt then as I do now that it was a privilege to serve in the White House.

I'm also very proud of President Trump's foreign policy accomplishments.

We were able to finally compete with China.

We were also able to broker peace agreements between Israel and — and three Arab states.

I mean, those are some examples of the types of policies that I think made our country safer.

LIZ CHENEY: Thank you, Mr. Pottinger.

And were you in the White House during the attack on the Capitol on January 6th?

MATTHEW POTTINGER: For most of the day I was in the White House, although when the — the President was speaking at the rally I was actually offsite at a scheduled meeting with India's ambassador to the United States.

The National Security Council staff was not involved in organizing the security for what was a domestic event, the rally.

But I did return to the White House at roughly 2:30 p.m..

LIZ CHENEY: Thank you.

And I know my colleagues will have additional questions for you about that afternoon.

Let me turn now to you, Ms. Mathews.

How did you come to join President Trump's White House staff?

SARAH MATTHEWS: Thank you, Madam Vice Chair.

As you outlined, I am a lifelong Republican and I joined the Trump reelection campaign in June of 2019.

I was one of the first communications staffers actually on board for his reelection campaign.

And during that time I traveled all around the country and met Kayleigh McEnany, who was also working on his reelection campaign.

I worked there for a year and I formed a close relationship with Ms. McEnany and she moved over to the White House in April of 2020 to start as White House Press Secretary and she brought over a group of campaign staff with her.

And so I joined her over at the White House in June of 2020 to start as her Deputy.

LIZ CHENEY: And were you, Ms. Matthews, at work in the White House on January 6th?

SARAH MATTHEWS: Yes, I was working out of the West Wing that day.

LIZ CHENEY: Thank you.

And now I'd like to recognize the gentlewoman from Virginia and the gentleman from Illinois.

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NPR

"A timeline of how the Jan. 6 attack unfolded — including who said what and when"

Updated June 9, 2022

2:38 p.m. Trump tweets again, calling for support of the Capitol Police and law enforcement.

He urges people to "stay peaceful."

MILITARY TIMES

"Why the DC National Guard’s role was limited during US Capitol riot"

By Lolita C. Baldor, The Associated Press and Robert Burns, The Associated Press

Jan 12, 2021

WASHINGTON — In the aftermath of the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol last week, questions are being raised about why the District of Columbia National Guard played such a limited role as civilian law enforcement officers were outnumbered and overrun.

The questions also highlight concern about the potential for violence to erupt again next week when President-elect Joe Biden is inaugurated at the Capitol, and whether the Guard should play a bigger or different role.

Use of the Guard, particularly in Washington, is a complicated process, tangled in an array of jurisdictional issues between city and federal agencies.
The original plans called for having a small National Guard presence with a limited role.

When rioters ransacked the Capitol on Wednesday, it wasn’t easy to quickly pivot to having a larger, more muscular force capable of backing up the embattled Capitol Police.

Top city, defense, Capitol and law enforcement officials had to figure out what was needed and where it was needed.

They also struggled to get the required approvals and then get the Guard members instructed, equipped and on their way.

A look at what slowed down the Guard’s response and its role in the run-up to inauguration:

WHY DIDN’T THE GUARD MOVE FASTER?

Bottom line: It was a planning problem complicated by a logistical challenge.

Once officials determined that more Guard were needed than original envisioned, it took time to put them in position.

About 340 members of the D.C. National Guard had been requested by Mayor Muriel Bowser.

Because the District is not a state, the Defense Department has authority over the D.C. Guard, and that control is delegated to Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy.

The Pentagon approved Bowser’s request for Guard troops to support D.C. police for the protests.

Based on the agreement with D.C., the Guard members were deployed early last week to about 30 checkpoints and a half-dozen Metro entrances.

The agreement stipulated that their deployment was restricted to traffic control and crowd issues, and they specifically were not to be armed or in riot gear.

The Capitol Police, who have authority over the Capitol grounds, repeatedly declined support from the Guard before Wednesday.

Officials say they did not expect a huge, violent protest.

When the riot began Wednesday, the couple hundred D.C. Guard members already on the streets needed an explicit request from federal authorities to go to the Capitol, since that is federal jurisdiction.

The Guard also needed approval from the Pentagon and new orders to change their mission.

They then had to return to their armory to get riot gear and a briefing on what they would be doing at the Capitol.

The deployment discussions triggered complaints that the Pentagon delayed the Guard deployment.

But defense officials defended the need for a careful, deliberate process.

“It’s important that in the midst of a dire situation we have a clear plan and understand the task, purpose, and role of our Guardsman before we employ them,” said Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, director of the Army staff.

“Creating shared understanding will prevent a complex and potentially dangerous situation from getting worse.”

As that was happening, officials activated the entire D.C. Guard — 1,100 members.

But Guard members who had not already been activated were, as usual, at their homes, their regular jobs or even in other states, and it took time for them to respond.

WHY COULDN’T THEY STORM THE CAPITOL?

Pentagon officials and other national and city leaders are very sensitive to the optics of the U.S. military appearing to arrest or lay hands on American citizens on U.S. soil.

They prefer to leave law enforcement to federal, state and city police agencies.

Many are still stinging from the chaotic law enforcement response last June to Washington street protests over the killing of George Floyd by police in Minneapolis.

Critics decried what they saw as an overly militarized approach to containing the problem.

This was in part due to the military-style clothing worn by some federal law enforcement personnel.

With that in mind, the D.C. request last week largely limited the Guard to traffic control.

They were not authorized to perform law enforcement duties.

In any state, Guard members may do law enforcement activities if needed and approved by the governor in a crisis.

In most cases, however, Guard members are used to support law enforcement.

As an example, last Wednesday police SWAT and other tactical units went into the Capitol to roust out the rioters, while the Guard fell in behind them and set up a security perimeter around the building to ensure no one else got in.

Guard members did not enter the Capitol.

ELAINE LURIA: Thank you, Madam Vice Chair.

As you've seen in our prior hearings, President Trump summoned the mob to DC on January 6th.

Before he went on stage he knew some of them were armed and prepared for combat.

During his speech he implored them to march to the Capitol as he had always planned to do.

By the time he walked off the stage, his supporters had already breached the outer perimeter of the Capitol at the foot of Capitol Hill.

Since our last hearings, we've received new testimony from a security professional working in the White House complex on January 6th with access to relevant information and responsibility to report to national security officials.

This security official told us that the White House was aware of multiple reports of weapons in the crowd that morning.

We as a committee are cognizant of the fear of retribution expressed by certain national security witnesses who have come forward to tell the truth.

We've therefore taken steps to protect this national security individual's identity.


Listen to this clip from their testimony.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: What was the consistent message from the people about this idea of the President to walk to the Capitol?

To be completely honest, we were all in a state of shock.

Because why?

Because — because it just — one, I think the actual physical feasibility of doing it.

And then also we all knew what that implicated and what that meant.

That this was no longer a rally, that this was going to move to something else if he physically walked to the Capitol.

I — I don't know if you want to use the word insurrection, coup, whatever.

We all knew that this would move from a normal, democratic, you know, public event into something else.

What was — what was driving that sentiment considering this — this — this part of it, the actual breach of the Capitol hadn't happened yet.

Why were we alarmed?

Right.

The President wanted to lead tens of thousands of people to the Capitol.

I think that was enough grounds for us to be alarmed.


[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: Even though he understood many of his supporters were armed, the President was still adamant to go to the Capitol when he got off the stage at the ellipse.

But his Secret Service detail was equally determined to not let him go.

That led to a heated argument with the detail that delayed the departure of the motorcade to the White House.

We have evidence from multiple sources regarding an angry exchange in the Presidential SUV, including testimony we will disclose today from two witnesses who confirmed that a confrontation occurred.


The first witness is a former White House employee with national security responsibilities.

After seeing the initial violence at the Capitol on TV, the individual went to see Tony Ornato, the Deputy Chief of Staff in his office.

ELAINE LURIA: Mr. Ornato was there with Bobby Engel, the President's lead Secret Service agent.

This employee told us that Mr. Ornato said the President was quote, "irate", when Mr. Engel refused to drive him to the Capitol.

Mr. Engel did not refute what Mr. Ornato said.


The second witness is retired Sergeant Mark Robinson of the DC Police Department who was assigned to the President's motorcade that day.

He sat in the lead vehicle with the Secret Service agent responsible for the motorcade, also called the TS agent.

Here's how Sergeant Robinson remembered the exchange.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: Was there any description of what — of what was occurring in the car?

MARK ROBINSON: No, only that on — the only description I received was that the President was upset and was adamant about going to the Capitol and there was a heated discussion about that.

UNKNOWN: And when you say heated, is that your word or is that the word that was described by the TS agent?

MARK ROBINSON: No — word described by the TS agent, meaning that the President was upset and he was saying there was a heated argument or discussion about going to the Capitol.

UNKNOWN: About how many times would you say you've been part of that motorcade with President?

MARK ROBINSON: Ha. Ha. Ha.

Probably over 100 times.

UNKNOWN: And in that 100 times, have you ever witnessed another discussion of an argument or heated discussion with the President where the President was contradicting where he was supposed to go or what the Secret Service believed was safe?

MARK ROBINSON: No.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: Like other witnesses, Sergeant Robinson also testified that he was aware that individuals in the crowd were armed.

[Begin Videotape]

MARK ROBINSON: Yes, I believe he was on special events channel in — I was monitoring the traffic.

So I can hear some of the unit pointing out to individuals that there were individuals along Constitution Avenue that were armed that were up in the trees and I can hear the units responding to those individuals.

So there's always a concern when there's a [POTUS] in the area.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: And like other witnesses, Sergeant Robinson told us that the President still wanted to travel to the Capitol even after returning to the White House.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: So at the end of the speech, what was the plan supposed to be?

MARK ROBINSON: So at the end of the speech, we do know that while inside the limo, the President was still adamant about going to the Capitol.

That's been relayed to me by the TS agent.


And so we did [depart] the Ellipse and we responded back to the White House.

However, we at the motorcade — POTUS motorcade was placed on standby.

And so we were told to stand by on the West exac [ph] until they confirmed whether or not the President was going to go to the Capitol.

And so I may have waited, I would just estimate maybe 45 to — 45 minutes to an hour waiting for Secret Service to make that decision.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: The motorcade waited at the White House for more than 45 minutes before being released.

The committee is also aware that accounts of the angry confrontation in the Presidential SUV have circulated widely among the Secret Service since January 6th.

Recent disclosures have also caused the committee to subpoena yet further information from the Secret Service, which we've begun to receive and will continue to assess.

The committee is also aware that certain Secret Service witnesses have now retained new private counsel.

We anticipate further testimony under oath and other new information in the coming weeks.

After the Secret Service refused to take President Trump to the Capitol, he returned to the White House.


What you see on the screen is a photo of him inside the Oval Office immediately after he returned from the rally still wearing his overcoat.

A White House employee informed the President as soon as he returned to the Oval about the riot at the Capitol.

Let me repeat that.

Within 15 minutes of leaving the stage, President Trump knew that the Capitol was besieged and under attack.

At 1:25, President Trump went to the private dining room off the Oval Office.

From 1:25 until 4:00, the President stayed in his dining room.


Just to give you a sense of where the dining room is situated in the West Wing, let's take a look at this floor plan.

The dining room is connected to the Oval Office by a short hallway.

Witnesses told us that on January 6th President Trump sat in his usual spot at the head of the table facing a television hanging on the wall.

We know from the employee that the TV was tuned to Fox News all afternoon.

Here you can see Fox News on the TV showing coverage of the joint session that was airing that day at 1:25.

Other witnesses confirm that President Trump was in the dining room with the TV on for more than two and a half hours.

There was no official record of what President Trump did while in the dining room.

On the screen is the Presidential call log from January 6th.

As you can see, there's no official record of President Trump receiving or placing a call between 11:06 and 6:54 pm.

As to what the President was doing that afternoon, the Presidential Daily Diary is also silent.

It contains no information from the period between 1:21 pm. and 4:03 pm.

There are also no photos of President Trump during this critical period between 1:21 in the Oval Office and when he went outside to the Rose Garden after 4:00.

The chief White House photographer wanted to take pictures because it was in her words, very important for his archives and for history, but she was told quote, "no photographs".

Despite the lack of photos or an official record, we've learned what President Trump was doing while he was watching TV in the dining room.

But before we get into that, it's important to understand what he never did that day.

Let's watch.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: So are you aware of any phone call by the President of the United States to the Secretary of Defense that day?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Not that I'm aware of, no.

UNKNOWN: Are you aware of any phone call by the President of United States to the attorney general of the United States that day?

PAT CIPOLLONE: No.

UNKNOWN: Are you aware of any phone call by the President of the United States to the Secretary of Homeland Security that day?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I'm not aware of that, no.

UNKNOWN: Did you ever hear the Vice President — or excuse me, the President ask for the National Guard?

KEITH KELLOGG: No.

UNKNOWN: Did you ever hear the President ask for a law enforcement response?

KEITH KELLOGG: No.

UNKNOWN: So as somebody who works in the national security space and with the National Security Council here, if there were going to be troops present or called up for a rally in Washington DC, for example, is that something that you would have been aware of?

KEITH KELLOGG: Yeah, I would have.

UNKNOWN: Do you know if you asked anybody to reach out to any of those that we just listed off?

National Guard, DOD, FBI, Homeland Security, Secret Service, Mayor Boswer, or the Capitol Police about the situation in the Capitol.

NICHOLAS LUNA: I am not aware of any of those requests.

No, sir.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: We have confirmed in numerous interviews with senior law enforcement and military leaders, Vice President Pence's staff and DC government officials, none of them, not one, heard from President Trump that day.

He did not call to issue orders.

He did not call to offer assistance.


This week we received a — additional testimony from yet another witness about why the President didn't make any efforts to quell the attack.

The former White House employee with national security responsibilities told us about a conversation with senior advisor, Eric Herschmann, and Pat Cipollone, the top White House lawyer.

This conversation was about a pending call from the Pentagon seeking to coordinate on the response to the attack.

Mr. Herschmann turned to Mr. Cipollone and said, the President didn't want to do anything.

And so Mr. Cipollone had to take the call himself.

So if President Trump wasn't calling law enforcement or military leaders, what did President Trump spend his time doing that afternoon while he first settled into the dining room?

He was calling Senators to encourage them to delay or object to the certification.

Here's Kayleigh McEnany, his press secretary, to explain.


[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: All right.

That says back there and he wants list of Senators.

And then he's calling them one by one.

Do you know which ones he called?


KAYLEIGH MCENANY: To the best of my recollection, no.

As I say in my notes, he wanted a list of the Senators.

And, you know, I left him at that point.


[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: Because the Presidential call log is empty, we do not yet know precisely which Senators President Trump was calling.

But we do know from Rudy Giuliani's phone records that President Trump also called him at 1:39 after he had been told that the riot was underway at the Capitol.

Mr. Giuliani was President Trump's lead election attorney.

According to the phone records, the President's call with him lasted approximately four minutes.

Recall that Fox News was on in the dining room.

Let's take a look at what was airing as this call was ending.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: The President, as we all saw, fired this crowd up.

They've all — tens of thousands, maybe 100,000 or more have gone down to the Capitol or elsewhere in the city and they're very upset.

Now I jumped down as soon as we heard the news that Bret gave you about, Mike Pence.

I started talking to these people.

I said, what do you think?

One woman, an Air Force veteran from Missouri said she was quote, "disgusted to hear that news and that it was his duty to do something".

And I told her, I said there's nothing in the Constitution unilaterally that Vice President Pence could do.

She said, that doesn't matter.

He should have fought for Trump.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: At 1:49, here's what was happening at the Capitol with President Trump's fired up supporters.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: We're going to give — fire a warning.

We're going to try to get compliance, but this is now effectively a riot.

1:49 hours declaring it a riot.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: What did President Trump do at 1:49 as the DC police at the same time were declaring a riot at the Capitol.

As you can see on the screen, he tweeted out a link to the recording of his Ellipse speech.

This was the same speech in which he knowingly sent an armed mob to the Capitol, but President Trump made no comment about the lawlessness and the violence.

I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.

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ADAM KINZINGER: The next action President Trump took was to tweet at 2:24 pm.

What happened during the 35 minutes between his last tweet at 1:49 and 2:24?

His staff repeatedly came into the room to see him and plead that he make a strong public statement condemning the violence and instructing the mob to leave the Capitol.

He did not relent until after 4:00 when he went out to go to the Rose Garden to film his now infamous go home message.

Pat Cipollone was a top White House lawyer.

Here's what he told us about his reaction to seeing the violence and his advice throughout the afternoon.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: When did you first realize that there was actually violence or rioting?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I first realized it may have been on television or may have been Tony or may have been Philbin.

But I found out that people were, you know, they weren't in the Capitol yet, but they were, you know, and I then I started watching it and, you know, then I was aware.

UNKNOWN: What specifically did you think needed to be done?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I think I was pretty clear.

There needed to be an immediate and forceful response statement --- public statement that people need to leave the Capitol now.

UNKNOWN: My question is exactly that, that it sounds like you from the very outset of violence at the Capitol, right around 2:00, were pushing for a strong statement that people should leave the Capitol.

Is that right?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I was, and others were as well.

UNKNOWN: Pat, you said that you expressed your opinion forcefully.

Could you tell us exactly how you did that?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Yeah, I can't — I don't have, you know, I have to — on the privilege issue, I can't talk about conversations with the President, but I can generically say that I said, you know, people need to be told, there needs to be a public announcement fast that they need to leave the Capitol.

UNKNOWN: And Pat, could you let us know approximately when you said that?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Approximately when?

Almost immediately after I found out people were getting into the Capitol or approaching the Capitol in a way that was — was violent.

UNKNOWN: Do you remember any discussion with Mark Meadows with respect to his view that the President didn't want to do anything?

Was somehow of resistant to wanting to say something [inaudible] suggest.

PAT CIPOLLONE: Tony [inaudible] just to be clear, many people suggested it.

Yeah, not just me.

Many people felt the same way.

I'm sure I had conversations with Mark about this during the course of the day and expressed my opinion very forcefully that this needs to be done.

UNKNOWN: So your advice was to tell people to leave the Capitol and it took over two hours when there were subsequent statements made, tweets put forth, that in your view were insufficient.

Did you continue, Mr. Cipollone, throughout the period of time up until 4:17 — continue, you and others, to push for a stronger statement?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Yes.

UNKNOWN: Were you joined in that effort by Ivanka Trump?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Yes.

UNKNOWN: Eric Herschmann?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Yes.

UNKNOWN: And Mark Meadows?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Yes.

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: White House counsel's office wanted there to be a strong statement out to condemn the rioters.

I'm confident in that.

I'm confident that Ivanka Trump wanted there to be a strong statement to condemn the rioters.

I don't know the private conversation she had with Mr. Trump.

But I remember when she came to the office one time with White House counsel's office — when she came to the chief of staff's office with White House counsel's office, she was talking about the speech later that day and trying to get her dad on board with saying something that was more direct than he had wanted to at the time and throughout the afternoon.

PAT CIPOLLONE: I think Mark also wanted — got — I remember him getting Ivanka involved, because — said get Ivanka down here because he thought that would be important.

I don't think Jared was there in the morning, but I think he came later.

I remember thinking it was important to get him in there too.

And — and of course, Pat Philbin, you know, was expressing the same things.

I mean, Pat Philbin, you know, was very — as I said, I don't think there was one of these meetings where — there might have been, but for the most part, I remember the both of us going down together, going back, getting on phone calls.

He was also very clearly expressing this view.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: Pat Cipollone and Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, also told us about the hang Mike Pence chants.

As you will see, Mr. Cipollone recalled conversations about those chants in the West Wing, but he relied on executive privilege to maintain confidentiality over his and others' direct communications with the President.

Although Mr. Cipollone was unwilling to provide more detail, Ms. Hutchinson provided more explicit information, filling in those blanks.

See that for yourself.

[Begin videotape]

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: It wasn't until Mark hung up the phone, handed it back to me.

I went back to my desk.

A couple of minutes later, him and Pat came back, possibly Eric Herschmann too.

I'm pretty sure Eric Herschmann was there, but I'm — I'm confident it was Pat that was there.

I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more.

They're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung.

And Mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, Pat.

He thinks Mike deserves it.

He doesn't think they're doing anything wrong.

To which Pat said something, this is effing crazy, we need to be doing something more, briefly stepped into Mark's office.

UNKNOWN: Do you remember any discussion at any point during the day about rioters at the Capitol chanting hang Mike Pence?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Yes, I remember — I remember hearing that about that, yes.

I don't know if I observed that myself on TV.

UNKNOWN: I'm just curious.

I understand the — the privilege line you've drawn, but do you remember what you can share with us about the discussion about those chants, the hang Mike Pence chants?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I can tell you my view of that.

UNKNOWN: Yeah, please.

PAT CIPOLLONE: My view of that is that is outrageous.

And for anyone to suggest such a thing of the vice president of the United States, for people in that crowd to be chanting that I thought was terrible.

I thought it was outrageous and wrong, and I expressed that very clearly.

ADAM SCHIFF: With respect to your conversations with Mr. Meadows, though, did you specifically raise your concern over the vice president with him, and — and how did he respond?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I believe I raised the concern about the vice president, and I — and I — again, the nature of his response, without recalling exactly was he — you know, people were doing all that they could.

ADAM SCHIFF: And — and what about the president?

Did he indicate whether he thought the president was doing what needed to be done to protect the vice president?

UNKNOWN: Privilege.

You have to assert it.

That question would --

PAT CIPOLLONE: That would call for — I'm being instructed on privilege.

UNKNOWN: I see.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: In addition, Mr. Cipollone testified that it would have been feasible, as commentators on television were suggesting, for President Trump to immediately appear at the podium in the press room to address the nation.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: Would it have been possible at any moment for the president to walk down to the podium in the briefing room and tell — talk to the nation at anytime between when you first gave him that advice at 2:00 and 4:17 when the video statement went?

Would that have been possible?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Would it have been possible?

UNKNOWN: Yes.

PAT CIPOLLONE: Well, yes, it would have been possible.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: We just heard Mr. Cipollone say that President Trump could have gone to the press briefing room to issue a statement at any moment.

To give you a sense of just how easy that would have been, let's take a look at a map of the West Wing.

As we saw earlier, the president's private dining room is at the bottom of the map.

The press briefing room is at the top highlighted in blue, and the Rose Garden, where the President ultimately filmed his go home video, is on the right next to the Oval Office, and that's highlighted in green.

Ms. Matthews, how quickly could the president have gotten on camera in the press briefing room to deliver a statement to the nation?

SARAH MATTHEWS: So, as you outlined, it would take probably less than 60 seconds from the Oval Office dining room over to the press briefing room.

And for folks that might not know, the briefing room is the room that you see the White House press secretary do briefings from with the podium and the blue backdrop.

And there's a camera that is on in there at all times.

And so, if the president had wanted to make a statement and address the American people, he could have been on camera almost instantly.

And conversely, the White House press corps has offices that are located directly behind the briefing room.

And so, if he had wanted to make an address from the Oval Office, we could have assembled the White House press corps probably in a matter of minutes to get them into the Oval for him to do an on camera address.

ADAM KINZINGER: Thank you.

Other witnesses have given us their views on that question.

For example, General Keith Kellogg told us that some staff were concerned that a live appearance by the president at the microphones at that moment could actually make matters worse.

He told us he recommended against doing a press conference because, during his four years in the Trump administration, "There wasn't a single clean press conference we had had."

President Trump's advisers knew his state of mind at that moment, and they were worried about what he would say in unscripted comments.

I yield to the gentlewoman from Virginia.

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ELAINE LURIA:

Thank you.

As you've heard, by 2:00 multiple staff members in the White House recognized that a serious situation was underway at the Capitol.

Personally, I recall being evacuated from the House office building where we're sitting by — before this time.

(1:46 p.m.

Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va., tweets she is being evacuated after reports of a pipe bomb outside.

“Supporters of the President are trying to force their way into the Capitol and I can hear what sounds like multiple gunshots.”

– USA TODAY, “Timeline: How a Trump mob stormed the US Capitol, forcing Washington into lockdown” by George Petras, Janet Loehrke, Ramon Padilla, Javier Zarracina and Jennifer Borresen on Jan. 15, 2021)

It was due to the discovery of two pipe bombs in nearby buildings.

Ms. Mathews, around the same time, you were watching the violence unfold on television and social media with colleagues, including with Ben Williamson, a senior aide to Mark Meadows and the acting director of communications.

You told us that before President Trump's sent his next tweet at 2:24, Mr. Williamson got up to go see Mr. Meadows and you got up to go see Kayleigh McEnany.

Why did you both do that?

SARAH MATTHEWS: So, Ben and I were watching the coverage unfold from one of the offices in the West Wing.

And we both recognized that the situation was escalating and it was escalating quickly, and that the president needed to be out there immediately to tell these people to go home and condemn the violence that we were seeing.

So, I told him that I was going to make that recommendation to Kayleigh, and he said he was going to make the same recommendation to the chief of staff, Mark Meadows.

ELAINE LURIA: Thank you.

And one of your colleagues in the press office, Judd Deere, told us he also went to see Ms. McEnany at that time.

Let's hear what he said about this critical period of time right as the rioters were getting into the Capitol.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: And why did you think it was necessary to say something?

JUDD DEERE: Well, I mean, it appears that individuals are storming the US Capitol building.

They also appear to be supporters of Donald Trump, who may have been in attendance at the rally.

We're going to need to say something.

UNKNOWN: And did you have a view as to what should be said about the White House?

JUDD DEERE: If I recall, I told Kayleigh that I thought that we needed to encourage individuals to stop, to respect law enforcement, and to go home.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: Although President Trump was aware of the ongoing riot, he did not take any immediate action to address the lawlessness.

Instead, at 2:03, he called Rudy Giuliani again, and that call lasted for over eight minutes.

Moments later at 2:13, rioters broke into the Capitol itself.

One of the Proud Boys charged with seditious conspiracy, Dominic Pezzola, used an officer's shield to smash a window, and rioters flooded into the building.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: [Crowd noise]

Go, go, go, go.

Go in the Capitol.

Go, go, go.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: As rioters were entering the building, the Secret Service held Vice President Pence in his office right off the Senate chamber for 13 minutes as they worked to clear a safe path to a secure location.

Now listen to some of that radio traffic and see what they were seeing as the protesters got just feet away from where the Vice President was holding.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: They're taking the building.

Hold.

Harden that door up.

If you are moving, we need to move now.

Copy.

If we lose any more time, we may have — we may lose the ability to — to leave.

So, if we're going to leave, we need to do it now.

They've gained access to the second floor and I've got public about five feet from me down here below.

Ok, copy.

They are on the second floor moving in now.

We may want to consider getting out and leaving now, copy?

Will we encounter the people once we make our way?

Repeat?

Encounter any individuals if we made our way to the — to the — There's six officers between us and the people that are five to 10 feet away from me.

Stand by.

I'm going to down to evaluate.

Go ahead.

We have a clear shot if we move quickly.

We've got smoke downstairs.

Stand by, unknown smoke from downstairs.

By the protesters?

Is that route compromised?

We have the — is secure.

However, we will bypass some protesters that are being contained.

There is smoke, unknown what kind of smoke it is, copy?

Clear.

We're coming out now, all right?

Make a way.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: The president's National Security Council staff was listening to these developments and tracking them in real time.

On the screen, you can see excerpts from the chat logs among the national — among the president's National Council — National Security Council staff.

At 2:13, the staff learned that the rioters were kicking in the windows at the Capitol.

Three minutes later, the staff said the vice president was being pulled, which meant agents evacuated him from the Senate floor.

(Congressional Record – United States of America PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE 117th CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION Vol. 167, WASHINGTON, WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6, 2021 No. 4

RECESS

The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. MCGOVERN).

Without objection, pursuant to clause 12(b) of rule I, the Chair declares the House in recess subject to the call of the Chair.

There was no objection.

Accordingly (at 2 o’clock and 18 minutes p.m.), the House stood in recess.

AFTER RECESS

The recess having expired, the House was called to order by the Speaker pro tempore (Mr. MCGOVERN) at 2 o’clock and 29 minutes p.m.

RECESS

The SPEAKER pro tempore.

Without objection, pursuant to clause 12(b) of rule I, the Chair declares the House in recess subject to the call of the Chair.

There was no objection.

Accordingly (at 2 o’clock and 29 minutes p.m.), the House stood in recess.

AFTER RECESS

The recess having expired, the House was called to order by the Speaker at 9 o’clock and 2 minutes p.m.)

At 2:24, the staff noted that the Secret Service agents at the Capitol did not "sound good right now."

Earlier you heard from a security professional who had been working in the White House complex on January 6th with access to relevant information and a responsibility to report to national security officials.

We asked this person what was meant by the comment that the Secret Service agents did not "sound good right now."

In the following clip of that testimony, which has been modified to protect the individual's identity, the professional discusses what they heard from listening to the incoming radio traffic that day.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: Ok.

That last entry in the page is service at the capital does not sound good right now.

Correct.

What does that mean?

Well, members of the VP detail at this time were starting to fear for their own lives.

There were a lot of — there was a lot of yelling, a lot of — a lot of very personal calls over the radio, so it was disturbing.

I don't like talking about it.

But there — there were calls to say goodbye to family members, so on and so forth.

It was getting — for — for whatever the reason was on the ground, the VP detail thought that this was about to get very ugly.

And do — did you hear that over the radio?

Correct.

Ok.

What was the response by the agents who were — Secret Service agents who were there?

UNKNOWN: Everybody kept saying — you know, at that point it was just reassurances or — I think there were discussions of reinforcements coming.

But — but again, it was just chaos, and they were just obviously, you've conveyed that's disturbing.

But what — what prompted you to put it into an entry as it states there, Service at the Capitol?

They were running out of options and they were getting nervous.

It — it sounds like we're — that we came very close to either service having to use lethal options or — or worse.

Like, at — at that point I don't know.

Is the VP compromised?

Is the detail comp — like, I — I don't know.

Like, we didn't have visibility, but it doesn't — if they're screaming and — and saying things like say goodbye to the family, like, the floor needs to know this is going to on a whole nother [Ph] level soon.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: As this next video shows, the rioters' anger was foc — focused primarily on Vice President Mike Pence.

[Begin videotape]

JANET BUHLER: This woman cames up to the side of us and she says Pence folded.

So it was kind of, like, Ok, well — in my mind I was thinking, well that's it.

You know.

Well, my son-in-law looks at me and he says I want to go in.

UNKNOWN: What percentage of the crowd is going to the Capitol?

JESSICA WATKINS: 100 percent.

It is — it has spread like wildfire that Pence has betrayed us.

And everybody is marching on the Capitol, all million of us.

It's insane.

UNKNOWN: Mike Pence will not stick up for Donald Trump.

Mike Pence, traitor.

Mike Pence has screwed us, in case you haven't heard yet.

What happened?

What happened?

I keep hearing that Mike Pence has screwed us.

That's the word.

I keep hearing reports that Mike Pence has screwed us.

Did people appear angry as you were walking to the Capitol?

Yeah, a lot of people — a lot of people seemed like they were very upset.

Tell us some of the things they were saying, if you recall.

STEPHEN AYRES: Oh, there was — they were saying all type — you know, people were screaming all types of stuff.

They were mad that Vice President Pence was going to accept the electoral laws.

I mean, it was — I mean it was a load of — you can — if you can think it up that's — you are hearing it.

UNKNOWN: I believe that Vice President Pence was going to certify the electoral votes and — or not certify them.

But I guess that's just changed.

Correct?

And it's a very big disappointment.

I think there's several hundred thousand people here that are very disappointed.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: President Trump did not try to calm his thousands of disappointed supporters.

Instead at almost the same moment violence was getting completely out of hand, Donald Trump sent his 2:24 tweet.

The President said Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution.

Despite knowing the Capitol had been breached and the mob was in the building, President Trump called Mike Pence a coward and placed all the blame on him for not stopping the certification.

He put a target on his own Vice President's back.

Mr. Pottinger and Miss Mathews, when we asked you about your reaction to seeing the 2:24 tweet in real time, you both use the same imagery to describe it.

President Trump was adding fuel to the fire.

Mr. Pottinger, you made the decision to resign after seeing this tweet.

Can you please tell us why?

MATTHEW POTTINGER: Yes.

So that was the — pretty soon after I'd — or shortly before I'd gotten back to the White House.

I'd come from off site.

I began to see for the first time those images on TV of the chaos that was unfolding at the Capitol.

One of my aides handed me a sheet of paper that contained the tweet that you just read.

I — I read it and was quite disturbed by it.

I — I was disturbed and worried to see that the President was attacking Vice President Pence for doing his constitutional duty.

So the tweet looked to me like the opposite of what — what we really needed at that moment, which was a de-escalation.

And that's why I had said earlier that it looked like fuel being poured on the fire.

So that was the moment that I decided that I was going to resign, that that would be my last day at the White House.

I — I simply didn't want to be associated with — with the events that were unfolding on the Capitol.

ELAINE LURIA: Thank you.

And Ms. Matthews, what was your reaction to the President's tweet about Vice President Pence?

SARAH MATTHEWS: So, it was obvious that the situation at the Capitol was violent and escalating quickly.

And so I thought that the tweet about the Vice President was the last thing that was needed in that moment.

And I — I remember thinking that this was going to be bad for him to tweet this because it was essentially him giving the green light to these people, telling them that what they were doing at the steps of the Capitol and entering the Capitol was Ok, that they were justified in their anger.

And he shouldn't have been doing that.

He should have been telling these people to go home and to leave and to condemn the violence that we were seeing.

And I'm someone who has worked with him.

You know, I worked on the campaign, traveled all around the country going to countless rallies with him.

And I've seen the impact that his words have on his supporters.

He — they truly latch on to every word and every tweet that he says.

And so I think that in that moment for him to tweet out the message about Mike Pence, it was him pouring gasoline on the fire and making it much worse.

(2:38 p.m. Trump tweets again, calling for support of the Capitol Police and law enforcement.

He urges people to “stay peaceful.”)

ELAINE LURIA: Thank you both.

And let's watch what others also told us about their reactions to this tweet.

[Begin videotape]

PAT CIPOLLONE: I don't remember when exactly I heard about that tweet, but my reaction to it is that's a — a terrible tweet.

And I disagreed with the sentiment and I thought it was wrong.

UNKNOWN: What was your reaction when you saw that tweet?

JUDD DEERE: Extremely unhelpful.

UNKNOWN: Why?

JUDD DEERE: It — it — it wasn't the message that we needed at — at that time.

It wasn't going to — the — the scenes at the US Capitol were only getting worse at that point.

This was not going to help that.

UNKNOWN: Were you concerned it could make it worse?

JUDD DEERE: Certainly.

LIZ CHENEY: Ms. Hutchinson, what was your reaction when you saw this tweet?

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: As a staffer that works to always represent the Administration to the best of my ability and to showcase the good things that he had done for the country, I remember feeling frustrated, disappointed, and really it — it felt personal.

I — I was really sad.

As an American, I was disgusted.

It was unpatriotic.

It was un-American.

We were watching the Capitol building get defaced over a lie.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: As you will see, at 2:26, the Vice President had to be evacuated to safety a second time and came within 40 feet of the rioters.

The attack escalated quickly right after the tweet.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: [Inaudible]

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: During this chaos, what did President Trump do at that point?

He went back to calling Senators to try to further delay the electoral count.

While the Vice President was being evacuated from the Senate, President Trump called Senator Tommy Tuberville, one of his strongest supporters in the Senate.

As Senator Tuberville later recalled, he had to end the call so that he could evacuate the Senate chamber himself.

Let's listen.

[Begin videotape]

TOMMY TUBERVILLE: He called — didn't call my phone.

Called somebody else and they handed it to me.

And I — I basically told him, I said Mr. President, we're — we're not doing much work here right now because they just took our Vice President out.

And matter of fact I'm gonna have to hang up on you.

I've got to leave.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: Senator Josh Hawley also had to flee.

Earlier that afternoon before the joint session started, he walked across the east front of the Capitol.

As you can see in this photo, he raised his fist in solidarity with the protesters already amassing at the security gates.

We spoke with a Capitol police officer who was out there at the time.

She told us that Senator gest — Senator Hawley's gesture riled up the crowd, and it bothered her greatly because he was doing it in a safe space, protected by the officers and the barriers.

Later that day Senator Hawley fled after those protesters he helped to rile up stormed the Capitol.

See for yourself.

[Begin videotape]

[End videotape]

Think about what we've seen, undeniable violence at the Capitol.

The Vice President being evacuated to safety by the Secret Service.

Senators running through the hallways of the Senate to get away from the mob.

As the Commander in Chief, President Trump was oath and duty bound to protect the Capitol.

His senior staff understood that.

[Begin videotape]

LIZ CHENEY: Do — do you believe, Jared, that the President has an obligation to ensure a peaceful transfer of power?

JARED KUSHNER: Yes.

LIZ CHENEY: And do you think the President has an obligation to defend all three branches of our government?

JARED KUSHNER: I believe so.

LIZ CHENEY: And I assume you also would agree the President has a particular obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

PAT CIPOLLONE: That is one of the President's obligations, correct.

LIZ CHENEY: No, I mean, I asked what his duty is.

KEITH KELLOGG: Well, I mean, there's a — there's a constitutional duty — I — what he has — he's the Commander in Chief.

And that was the — the — that was my biggest issue with him as National Security Advisor.

[End videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: Rather than uphold his duty to the Constitution, President Trump allowed the mob to achieve the delay that he hoped would keep him in power.

I reserve.

LIZ CHENEY: The gentlewoman reserves.

I request that those in the hearing room remain seated until the Capitol Police have escorted members and witnesses from the room.

I now declare the committee in recess for a period of approximately 10 minutes.

The committee will be in order.

I now recognize the gentleman from Illinois.

TO BE CONTINUED ...
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ADAM KINZINGER: We left at the recess just after President Trump's 2:24 tweet attacking the Vice President.

By this time the President had been in his dining room for an hour.

I want you to just think of what you would have done if you were in his shoes and had the power to end the violence.

You would have immediately and forcefully told the rioters to stop and leave.

Like, stop and leave.

Done.


As you heard, that's exactly what his senior staff had been urging him to do, but he resisted and he kept resisting for another almost two hours.

In the meantime, all the President did was post two tweets, one at 2:38 and the other at 3:13.

One said quote, "stay peaceful".

The other said quote, "remain peaceful".

But the President already knew that the mob was attacking the police and had invaded the Capitol.

Neither tweet condemned the violence or told the mob to leave the Capitol and disperse.

To appreciate how obvious it was that President Trump was not meeting this moment, it's helpful to look at the real time reactions of his own son, Don Jr to the first tweet captured in a series of text messages with Mark Meadows.

I warn the audience that these messages contain some strong language.

As you can see Don Jr's first — Don Jr first texted Mr. Meadows at 2:53.

He wrote, he's got to condemn this shit ASAP.

The Capitol Police tweet is not enough.

Mr. Meadows replied, I am pushing it hard, I agree.

Don Jr responded, this is one you go to the mattresses on.

They will try to fuck his entire legacy if this — on this if it gets worse.

Here's what Don Jr told us he meant by go to the mattresses.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: At 2:58 when you say that he need — that Mr. Meadows needs to go to the mattresses on this issue, when you say go to the mattresses, what does that mean?

DONALD TRUMP JR.: It's just a reference for going all in.

I think it's a Godfather reference.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: Sean Hannity agreed, and he also turned to Mark Meadows for help after the President's second tweet.

As you can see, Mr. Hannity texted at 3:31 to say, Trump needed to deliver a statement to the nation telling the rioters to leave the Capitol.

Mr. Meadows responded, that he was quote, "on it".

Don Jr and Sean Hannity were not the only ones who implored Mr. Meadows to get the President to speak to the nation and tell the mob to leave, to go home, go home.

Throughout the attack, Mr. Meadows received texts from Republican members of Congress, from current and former Trump administration officials, from media personalities, and from friends.

Like President Trump's staff, they knew President Trump had to speak publicly to get the mob to stop.

Let's look at just a few of these text messages.

Fox News personality, Laura Ingraham, said the President needs to tell the people in the Capitol to go home.

Former chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, urged Mark, he needs to stop this now.

Fox News personality, Brian Kilmeade, said, please get him on TV.

Destroying everything that you guys have accomplished.

When we interviewed White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, he told us that he knew the President's two tweets were not enough.

Let's listen to what he said.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: I think the question is did you believe the tweets were not anything about your advice to the President?

PAT CIPOLLONE: No, I believe more needed to be done.

I believed that a public statement needed to be made.

LIZ CHENEY: When you talk about others on the staff thinking more should be done or thinking that the President needed to tell people to go home, who — who would you put in that category?

PAT CIPOLLONE: Well, I — I would put it Pat Philbin, Eric Herschmann, overall Mark Meadows, Ivanka, once Jared got there Jared, General Kellogg.

I'm probably missing some, but those are — Kayleigh I think was — was there, but I don't — Dan Scavino.

LIZ CHENEY: And who on the staff did not want people to leave the Capitol?

PAT CIPOLLONE: On the staff?

LIZ CHENEY: In the White House, how about?

PAT CIPOLLONE: I don't — I — I can't think of anybody, you know, on that day who didn't want people to get out of the — the Capitol once the — you know, particularly once the violence started, no.

I mean --

ADAM SCHIFF: What about the president?

LIZ CHENEY: Yeah.

PAT CIPOLLONE: She said the staff, so I answered.

LIZ CHENEY: No, I said in the White House.

PAT CIPOLLONE: Oh, I'm sorry. I — I apologize.

I thought you said who — who else on the staff.

I — I — I can't reveal communications, but obviously I think, you know, — yeah.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: Let's pause on that last statement.

Although Pat Cipollone is being careful about executive privilege, there really is no ambiguity about what he said.

Almost everybody wanted President Trump to instruct the mob to disperse.

President Trump refused.

To understand how inadequate the president's tweets were, let's examine his 2:38 tweet in more detail.

For context, here's what was happening at that time.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: They broke the glass right there.

Everybody stay down.

Get down.

Lower barricade, there's people flooding the hallways outside.

We have no way out.

We were just told that there has been teargas in the Rotunda, and we're being instructed to each of us get a gasmask.

We went from a peaceful protest, and this is a very dangerous situation right now.

The — there are — I'm being told these protesters on the inside are around both chambers, and there is now tear gas inside the Capitol Rotunda.

In fact, members locked in the House are being instructed to put on masks.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: Ms. Matthews, after President Trump's tweet about Vice President Pence, you told us you spoke to — immediately you spoke to Kayleigh McEnany.

What did you tell her and where did she go afterwards?

SARAH MATTHEWS: After the tweet about the vice president, I found Kayleigh and told her that I thought the president needed to immediately send out a tweet that condemned the violence that we were seeing, and that there needed to be a call to action to tell these people to leave the Capitol.

And she agreed and walked over to the Oval Dining Room to find the president.

ADAM KINZINGER: We interviewed Ms. McEnany and others who — who were in the dining room with the president, urging him to put out a statement.

Ms. Matthews, Ms. McEnany told us she came right back to the press office after meeting with the president about this particular tweet.

What did she tell you about what happened in that dining room?

SARAH MATTHEWS: When she got back, she told me that a tweet had been sent out.

And I told her that I thought the tweet did not go far enough, that I thought there needed to be a call to action and he needed to condemn the violence.

And we were in a room full of people, but people weren't paying attention.

And so, she looked directly at me and, in a hushed tone, shared with me that the president did not want to include any sort of mention of peace in that tweet, and that it took some convincing on their part, those who were in the room.

And she said that there was a back and forth, going over different phrases to find something that he was comfortable with.

And it wasn't until Ivanka Trump suggested the phrase stay peaceful that he finally agreed to include it.

ADAM KINZINGER: The president resisted writing stay peaceful in a tweet.

He told Mark Meadows that the rioters were doing what they should be doing and the rioters understood they were doing what President Trump wanted them to do.

President Trump's message was heard clearly by Stop The Steal organizer Ali Alexander.

At 2:38, he told another organizer, "POTUS is not ignorant of what his words would do."

Rioters storming the Capitol also heard President Trump's message.

In this video, you'll see surveillance footage from the Rotunda that shows a group of Oath Keepers, including Jessica Watkins, who's been charged with seditious conspiracy.

You'll hear her walkie-talkie communications with others as they share intelligence and communicate about President Trump's 2:38 tweet in real time.

Again, we warn the audience that this clip also contains strong language.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: CNN just said that they evacuated all members of Congress into a safety room.

There is no safe place in the United States for any of these motherfuckers right now, let me tell you.

I hope they understand that we are not joking around.

Military principle 105, Military Principle 105, cave means grave.

Trump just tweeted please support our Capitol Police.

They are on our side.

Do not harm them.

That's saying a lot by what he didn't say.

He didn't say not to do anything to the Congressmen.

Well, he did not ask them to stand down.

He just said stand by the Capitol Police.

They are on our side and they are good people.

So, it's getting real down there.

I got it on TV, and it's — it's looking pretty friggin radical to me.

CNN said that Trump has egged this on, that he is egging it on, and that he is watching the country burn two weeks before he leaves office.

He is not leaving office.

I don't give a shit what they say.

And we are in the mezzanine.

We are in the main dome right now.

We are rocking it.

They're throwing grenades.

They're frickin shooting people with paintballs, but we're in here.

Be safe, be safe.

God bless and Godspeed, and keep going.

Get it, Jess.

Do your shit.

This is what we fucking lived up for, everything we fucking trained for.

Took over the Capitol, overran the Capitol.

We're in the fucking Capitol complex.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: We've now seen how President Trump's supporters reacted to his tweets.

Mr. Pottinger, you told us that you consider the tweets sent to this point to be "wholly inadequate given the urgency of the crisis."

What in your view would have been needed?

MATTHEW POTTINGER: Yeah, I — it was insufficient.

And I think what — you could count me among those who was hoping to see an unequivocal strong statement clearing out the Capitol, telling people to stand down, leave, go home.

I — I think that's what we were hoping for.

ADAM KINZINGER: So, something a lot more kind of definitive and not ambiguous --

MATTHEW POTTINGER: Yes.

JOHN KIRBY: Because he has that power over his folks.

Ms. Matthews, you told us about a colleague who said during the attack that the president should not condemn the violence.

Can you please tell us about how that — about that moment and your reaction?

SARAH MATTHEWS: Yes.

So, a conversation started in the press office after the president sent out those two tweets that I deemed were insufficient.

And a colleague suggested that the president shouldn't condemn the violence because they thought it would "handing a win" to the media if he were to condemn his supporters.

And I disagreed.

I thought that we should condemn the violence and condemn it unequivocally.

And I thought that he needed to include a call to action and to tell these people to go home, and a debate ensued over it.

And I became visibly frustrated, and my colleagues were well aware of that.

And I couldn't believe that we were arguing over this in the middle of the West Wing, talking about the politics of a tweet, being concerned with handing the media a win when we had just watched all of that violence unfold at the Capitol.

And so, I motioned up at the TV and I said do you think it looks like we're effing winning?

Because I don't think it does.

And I again reiterated that I thought that the president needed to condemn the violence because it didn't matter if it was coming from the left or the right, that you should condemn violence 100 percent of the time.

ADAM KINZINGER: We've — we've heard this evening how everyone in the president's orbit was pushing him to do more, to tell the mob to leave the Capitol.

One of these people — one of those people was Republican leader Kevin McCarthy.

He managed to get the president on the phone and told him to call off his supporters.

As you will hear, the president refused, and so Leader McCarthy reached out for help to Ivanka Trump, who was at the White House, and Jared Kushner, who that afternoon had just arrived back on a flight from the Middle East.

[Begin videotape]

UNKNOWN: So, at some point in the afternoon, Mr. McCarthy placed a phone call to Mr. Scavino's desk line, and it was transferred to the president.

Is that correct?

MOLLY MICHAEL: That's generally what I recall.

UNKNOWN: Okay.

Were you involved in making that — transferring that call?

MOLLY MICHAEL: I--I--Yes.

UNKNOWN: Okay.

Where was the president at the time that he took that call?

MOLLY MICHAEL: He was in the dining room.

UNKNOWN: Would you personally reach out to the president for more support?

MARK MEADOWS: I've already talked to the president.

I called him.

I think we need to make a statement, make sure that we can calm individuals down.

UNKNOWN: Did Mr. McCarthy indicate that he had been in touch with President Trump?

MARC SHORT: He indicated that he had had some conversation, I don't recall whether it was with the — with the president or with somebody at the White House.

But I think he — he expressed frustration that — not taking the circumstance as seriously as they should in that moment.

JAIME HERRERA BEUTLER: You know, I asked Kevin McCarthy, who's the Republican leader, about this and — and he said she called Donald — he finally got through to Donald Trump.

And he said you have got to get on TV, you've got to get on Twitter, you've got to call these people off.

You know what the president said to him?

This is as it's happening.

He said, well, Kevin, these aren't my people.

You know, these are — these are Antifa.

And Kevin responded and said no, they're your people.

They literally just came through my office windows and my staff are running for cover.

I mean, they're running for their lives.

You need to call them off.

And the president's response to Kevin, to me, was chilling.

He said, well, Kevin, I guess they're just more upset about the election, you know, theft than you are.

And that's — you know, you've seen widespread reports of — of Kevin McCarthy and the president having a — basically a swearing conversation.

That's when the swearing commenced, because the president was basically saying, nah, I — I'm okay with this.

UNKNOWN: Leader McCarthy, the president of the United States has a briefing room steps from the Oval Office.

It is — the cameras are hot 24/7, as you know.

Why hasn't he walked down and said that now?

KEVIN MCCARTHY: I conveyed to the president what I think is best to do, and I'm hopeful the president will do it.

UNKNOWN: And have you spoken with his chief of staff?

KEVIN MCCARTHY: I've spoken to the president.

I've spoken to other people in there and to the White House as well.

UNKNOWN: Who else reached out to Mr. Trump that you know of that afternoon about the attack on the Capitol?

JULIE RADFORD: I believe at one point McCarthy did.

JARED KUSHNER: So, my — I heard my phone ringing, turn the shower off, saw it was Leader McCarthy, who I had a good relationship with.

He told me it was getting really ugly over at the Capitol and said, please, you know, anything you could do to help, I would appreciate it.

I don't recall a specific ask, just anything you could do.

Again, I got the sense that, you know, they were — they were — you know, they were scared.

UNKNOWN: They meaning Mr. — Leader McCarthy and people on the Hill because of the violence?

JARED KUSHNER: That he — he was scared, yes.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: Think about that.

Leader McCarthy, who was one of the president's strongest supporters, was scared and begging for help.

President Trump turned him down.

So, he tried to call the president's children.

Republican House member Mike Gallagher also implored the president to call off the attack.

[Begin videotape]

MIKE GALLAGHER: Mr. President, you have got to stop this.

You are the only person who can call this off.

Call it off.

The election is over.

Call it off.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: President elect Joe Biden also went live on TV to demand that President Trump tell the mob to leave.

[Begin videotape]

JOE BIDEN: I call on President Trump to go on national television now, to fulfill his oath and defend the Constitution, and demand an end to this siege.

[End videotape]

ADAM KINZINGER: There was a desperate scramble for everyone to get President Trump to do anything.

All of this occurred and the president still did not act.

I yield to my friend from Virginia.

TO BE CONTINUED ...
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ELAINE LURIA: Thank you, Mr. Kinzinger.

President Trump finally relented to the pleas from his staff, his family, and from Capitol Hill for him to do something more at 4:17, 187 minutes.

More than three hours after he stopped speaking at the Ellipse.

After he stopped speaking to a mob that he had sent armed to the Capitol.

That's when he tweeted a video telling the rioters to go home while also telling him — them that they were special and that he loved them.

By that time although the violence was far from over law enforcement had started to turn the tide, reinforcements were on the way, and elected officials were in secure locations.

The writing was already on the wall.

The rioters would not succeed.

Here's what was showing on Fox News, the channel the President was watching all afternoon.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: Dr. Brett Baer with more information now.

Brett, what do you have?

BRETT BAER: You know our Pentagon team, Jen Griffin, Lucas Tomlinson, now confirming the Defense Department has now mobilized the entire DC National Guard, 1,800 troops, take several hours as I was mentioning before, to get them up and running.

The Army secretary, Ryan McCarthy, is setting up a headquarters at the FBI.

You just heard from David Spunt that the FBI is also sending troops to the Capitol.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: It's no coincidence then that President Trump finally gave in and went out to the Rose Garden at 4:03.

His staff prepared a script for him to read, but he refused to use it.

As you can see on the screen, you can see the script is stamped, President has seen.

The script said, quote, "I'm asking you to leave the Capitol region now and go home in a peaceful way".

The President was urged to stick to the script, but he spoke off the cuff.

Eric Herscmann and Nick Luna went with the President to film the message in the Rose Garden.

Let's hear what they had to say and see the never before seen raw footage of the President recording this video message.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: Ultimately, these remarks that we're looking at here and Exhibit 25 were not the remarks that the President delivered in the Rose Garden.

Do you know why the President decided not to use these?

NICHOLAS LUNA: I don't know, sir.

No, I do not know why.

UNKNOWN: Did the President use any written remarks to your knowledge or did he just go off the cuff?

NICHOLAS LUNA: To my knowledge, it was off the cuff, sir.

UNKNOWN: [off-mic] When you're ready, sir.

DONALD TRUMP: You tell me when.

UNKNOWN: When you're ready, sir.

DONALD TRUMP: Who's behind me?

UNKNOWN: He's gone.

He's gone.

We're all clear now.

DONALD TRUMP: I know your pain, I know you're hurt.

We had a election — let me say.

I know your pain.

I know you're hurt.

We had an election that was stolen from us.

It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now.

We have to have peace.

We have to have law and order.

We have to respect our great people in law and order.

We don't want anybody hurt.

It's a very tough period of time.

There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us, from me, from you, from our country.

This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people.

We have to have peace.

So go home.

We love you.

You're very special.

You've seen what happens.

You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil.

I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace.

JARED KUSHNER: When I got there, basically the President just had finished filming the video and I think he was basically retiring for the day.

UNKNOWN: Was there any discussion about the President releasing a second video that day?

ERIC HERSCMANN: Not that I recall.

When — when he finished his video, I think everyone was like day's over.

People are pretty drained.

UNKNOWN: Were pretty what?

ERIC HERSCMANN: Drained.

UNKNOWN: When we say day — day over are we — there were still people in the Capitol at that point weren't there?

ERIC HERSCMANN: There were people in the Capitol.

But I believe by this stage law enforcement — I'd have to go back and look, but I believe law enforcement was either there moving in or going to take charge.

And I just think people were emotionally drained by the time that videotape was done.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: Emotionally drained at the White House?

Here's what was happening at the same time at the Capitol.

We warn the audience that this clip also contains strong language and violence.

[Begin Videotape]

UNKNOWN: Keep pushing.

Don't lose the momentum.

[off-mic]

We've got another officer unconscious at the terrace.

West Terrace.

Everybody, we need [inaudible].

We need strong, angry patriots to help our boys.

They don't want to leave.

[off-mic]

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: While President Trump refused to even lift another finger to help, other leaders honored their oath and acted to clear the Capitol and resume the joint session.

For instance, here are never before seen photos and video of Congressional leaders in action during the attack.

The video is a portion of a call they had at approximately 4:45 with Acting Secretary of Defense, Chris Miller.

[Begin Videotape]

MITCH MCCONNELL: We're not going to let these people keep us from finishing our business.

So we need you to get the building cleared.

Give us the okay, so we can go back in session and finish up the people's business as soon as possible.

CHRISTOPHER MILLER: Amen, sir.

CHUCK SCHUMER: Mr. Secretary, it's Senator Schumer, some people here in the Capitol police believe it would us take several days to secure the building.

Do you agree with that analysis?

CHRISTOPHER MILLER: I'm not on the ground, but I do not agree with that analysis.

CHUCK SCHUMER: So what is the earliest that we could safely resume our proceedings in the Senate and House chambers?

The earliest we could safely resume?

CHRISTOPHER MILLER: I — here's my assessment, but I prefer to be on the ground, which I personally would prefer to be right now, but I need to be here.

I would say best case, we're looking at four to five hours.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: The Vice President also worked the phones from his own secure evacuation location, including conversations with Acting Secretary of Defense Miller and other military leaders.

While past President Trump's 4:17 video, let's look at some never before seen photographs of the Vice President during this critical time and hear about the Vice President's conversation with military leaders to secure the Capitol and ensure everyone was safe.

[Begin Videotape]

MARK MILLEY: Vice President Pence?

There were two or three calls with Vice President Pence.

He was very animated and he issued very explicit, very direct, unambiguous orders.

There was no question about that.

And he was — and I can give you the exact quotes I guess from some of our record somewhere, but he was very animated, very direct, very firm.

And to Secretary Miller, get the military down here, get the guard down here, put down this situation, etc.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: As you heard earlier in the hearing, the President did not call the Vice President or anyone in the military, federal law enforcement, or DC government, not a single person.

But General Milley did hear from Mark Meadows.

The contrast between that call and his calls with Vice President Pence tell you everything you need to know about President Trump's dereliction of duty.

Let's listen.

[Begin Videotape]

MARK MILLEY: He said this from memory.

He said, we have — we have to kill the narrative that the Vice President is making all the decisions.

We need to establish the narrative that, you know, that the President is still in charge and that things are steady or stable.

Or words to that effect.

I immediately interpret that as politics, politics, politics.

Red flag for me personally, no action, but I remember it distinctly and — and I don't do political narratives.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: So while President Trump and his advisors were drained, other leaders upheld their oaths to do the right thing.

Maybe it was exhausting to get the President to put out that video, but think about the law enforcement officers who were attacked by the mob that day.

And President Trump had summoned them himself to Washington.

And what about President Trump?

He watched TV, tweeted, called Senators to try to delay the count of electoral votes, called Rudy Giuliani, and argued with his staff who were insinuating — who were insisting that he should call off the attack.

Ms. Mathews, what was your reaction to President Trump's message to the mob at 4:17?

SARAH MATTHEWS: I was struck by the fact that he chose to begin the video by pushing the lie that there was a stolen election.

And as the video went on, I felt a small sense of relief because he finally told these people to go home.

But that was immediately followed up by him saying, we love you, you're very special.

And that was disturbing to me because he didn't distinguish between those that peacefully attended his speech earlier that day and those that we watched cause violence at the Capitol.

Instead, he told the people who we had just watched storm our nation's Capitol with the intent on overthrowing our democracy, violently attack police officers, and chant heinous, things like, hang Mike Pence, we love you, you're very special.

And as a spokesperson for him, I knew that I would be asked to defend that.

And to me, his refusal to act and call off the mob that day and his refusal to condemn the violence was indefensible.

And so I knew that I would be resigning that evening.

And so I finished out the work day, went home, and called my loved ones to tell them of my decision and resigned that evening.

ELAINE LURIA: Thank you.

Indefensible.

Let's hear what some of your colleagues in the press office told us about their reaction to the same 4:17 message.

[Begin Videotape]

JUDD DEERE: I felt like it was the absolute bare minimum of what could have been said at that point for something on camera.

UNKNOWN: What else do you think should have been said?

JUDD DEERE: So — a more forceful — a more forceful dismissal of the violence, a more forceful command to go home, a more forceful respect for law enforcement, even a comparison to the respect that we have given law enforcement as it relates to what was done to them in the prior summer.

And I thought it was important that an acknowledgment be given to the US Capitol building itself.

What it's a symbol of, what it means, not only to the people that work there, but to the American people generally, and the work of Congress that by law needed to be conducted that day.

UNKNOWN: Do you wish in hindsight that the President had asked the protesters to leave the Capitol earlier than he ended up asking them to do that?

KAYLEIGH MCENANY: Of course, I would have loved if the go home message would have happened earlier in the day.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: The President's words matter.

We know that many of the rioters were listening to President Trump.

We heard from one last week, Stephen Ayres.

Let's listen to what he had to say about the 4:17 message from the President and see how rioters reacted to the President's message in real time.

STEPHEN AYRES: Well, when we were there, as soon as that come out, everybody started talking about it.

And that's — it seemed like it started to disperse.

You know some of the crowd --

UNKNOWN: I'm here delivering the President's message.

Donald Trump has asked everybody to go home.

[off-mic]

That's our order.

[off-mic]

He says, go home.

He says, go home.

[off-mic]

Yeah.

He said to go home.

[End Videotape]

ELAINE LURIA: But just as Mr. Ayres said, police were still fending off the last throes of the brutal assault.

I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.

TO BE CONTINUED ...
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